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Which function do you think correlates best with having

Which function correlates best with having critical thinking skills?

  • Te

    Votes: 8 25.8%
  • Fe

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Ti

    Votes: 25 80.6%
  • Se

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Si

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Ni

    Votes: 13 41.9%
  • Ne

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • Fi

    Votes: 7 22.6%

  • Total voters
    31

rav3n

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I love your cute little language you've invented to simply explain everything to yourself.

Unfortunately for your argument, I'm not the one who said "critical thinking greatly exceeds its abilities".

Everything you said was already covered far more comprehensively in what I'd written.
Rational and objective are two aspects of critical thinking. Ni is neither a rational or objective function.
 

Zarathustra

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Rational and objective are two aspects of critical thinking. Ni is neither a rational or objective function.

Well, considering rational and objective are technical terms in Jungian typology, and don't quite match the broader, more general understandings of "rational" and "objective", to which critical thinking should be linked, your statement falls flat on its face.

Regardless, as I said before, this was already covered far more comprehensively in what I wrote.
 

Zarathustra

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Also, your cat's cradle - Ni metaphor is poor.

It might be a semi-decent way to describe aux Ni, but not dom Ni.
 

rav3n

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Regardless, as I said before, this was already covered far more comprehensively in what I wrote.
What was previously expressed was nothing more than Ni-dom fapping...as usual. The confirmation bias was stellar!

Frankly, I don't believe that any function is much of a critical thinker on its own. But if you cobble together functions, taking the best aspects of each, the Ti-Ne-Si combination is in my opinion, the top combination for critical thinking since it constantly applies critical thinking to its own conclusions and demands holistic perceptions of what is, prior to concluding and then considers possibilities. And applying another 'but' to this process, it's rare you'll find any individual capable of utilising the best aspects of their functions.

The Ni-Te-Fi is too fraught full of subjectivity, as obvious within the confines of this thread. This doesn't mean that this combination is incapable of critical thinking. It has its advantages but man, the sheer amount of ego protection that manifests in so many INTJs, negates those advantages.
 

Zarathustra

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I would suspect that Ne is low in this poll because, all by itself, it isn't that critical. In fact, its strength is that it isn't critical, that it pulls in all possible ideas, regardless of credibility. Brainstorming is kind of the opposite of critical thinking. It is the role of Ti, Fi, and Si to anchor the Ne ideas in the realm of critical thinking.

I'd actually throw Te in there as well
 

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Moved tangential remarks to Off Topic Posts.
 

jixmixfix

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What was previously expressed was nothing more than Ni-dom fapping...as usual. The confirmation bias was stellar!

Frankly, I don't believe that any function is much of a critical thinker on its own. But if you cobble together functions, taking the best aspects of each, the Ti-Ne-Si combination is in my opinion, the top combination for critical thinking since it constantly applies critical thinking to its own conclusions and demands holistic perceptions of what is, prior to concluding and then considers possibilities. And applying another 'but' to this process, it's rare you'll find any individual capable of utilising the best aspects of their functions.

The Ni-Te-Fi is too fraught full of subjectivity, as obvious within the confines of this thread. This doesn't mean that this combination is incapable of critical thinking. It has its advantages but man, the sheer amount of ego protection that manifests in so many INTJs, negates those advantages.

+1

The reason why INTJ's aren't as good as INTP's at critical thinking is because they get too stuck in their internal framework and fail to acknowledge all perspectives in analysis. They are the most doubtful and skeptical in considering alternative routes and perspectives similar to how ISTJ's function.
 

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Ti, as it translates into greater resistance to a priori truths, as well as more willingness to revisit the premises.
 

Zarathustra

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The reason why INTJ's aren't as good as INTP's at critical thinking is because they get too stuck in their internal framework and fail to acknowledge all perspectives in analysis. They are the most doubtful and skeptical in considering alternative routes and perspectives similar to how ISTJ's function.

The same thing happens to INTPs in a TiSi loop.

The same thing happens to any introverted type in a dom-tert loop.
 

jixmixfix

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The same thing happens to INTPs in a TiSi loop.

The same thing happens to any introverted type in a dom-tert loop.

Has nothing to do with a loop it's how they function they are much more driven based on their internal framework and much more skeptical and hesitant in moving towards new areas of thought. IXTJs function like a waterfall moving towards one direction while IXTPs spread themselves out towards different directions with a less powerful "stream". This makes the IXTJ type more conventional and predictable but more determined and self motivated. The IXTP will consider more angles objectively thus makes them better suitable for critical thought.
 

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I think J-doms would have a harder time in thinking critically...i.e. removining self-bias from their reasoning process cause it's their strongest suit...
 

Zarathustra

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Has nothing to do with a loop it's how they function they are much more driven based on their internal framework and much more skeptical and hesitant in moving towards new areas of thought. IXTJs function like a waterfall moving towards one direction while IXTP spread themselves out towards different directions with a less powerful "stream". This makes the IXTJ type more conventional and predictable but more determined.

All you're describing is stereotypical J vs P characteristics.

Js are "closed and convergent"; Ps are "open and divergent".

The open and closed parts aren't really even that true.

And for the same reason J and P are labeled differently in Socionics.
 

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I think J-doms would have a harder time in thinking critically...i.e. removining self-bias from their reasoning process cause it's their strongest suit...

Their self bias is both their weakness and their strength.
 

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