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  • Te

    9 25.00%
  • Fe

    5 13.89%
  • Ti

    29 80.56%
  • Se

    3 8.33%
  • Si

    6 16.67%
  • Ni

    13 36.11%
  • Ne

    4 11.11%
  • Fi

    9 25.00%
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    Considering the prerequisites people seem to associate with critical thinking in this thread, im kind of proud of Ne's last position, tbh. And not surprised at all. Ne is inclusive afterall. People seem to be associating critical thinking with reductive and dismissive qualities.
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    The OP question is poorly phrased, with no real room for nuance or understanding of what critical thinking really is.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    We must first define what critical thinking is and isn't...
    Exactly.

    The problem is that it is fairly easy to describe what critical thinking is. Then there are those individuals that insist that THEY are employing critical thinking, and everyone else disagreeing with them are just a bunch of idiots who refuse to see reason. They THEY see all the multitude of shades, and everyone else just sees black and white.

    As it is described in this video, it would appear to map more to Ni than other functions, especially based on a fairly early comparison (at 0:20 or so), where it describes memorizing a solution to a problem, vs being able to come up with your own effective solutions to a multitude of problems. This is what Ni excels at, namely analyzing new problems where one cannot simply Google the answer, for example.

    But critical thinking isn't JUST that. It's about being able to analyze things at all sorts of levels, and depending on the scope of the problem, certain functions will be more apt at critical thinking in those terms than others. Fe and Fi will be better at handling human/personal issues. Te and Ti will be better at practical logical/logistical issues. Si and Se I would suspect are the weakest at critical thinking as described in that video, as their the most likely to be influenced by cultural ideas and values (which isn't a bad thing, btw - there is a huge amount of unarticulated knowledge and accumulated wisdom in there).

    Most of all, critical thinking is more of an attitude than a skill. The attitude allows one to develop the skill, but if one has some degree of smarts and skillz, absence of the attitude guarantees that however much one might believe in their "critical thinking" skills, they aren't really doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Considering the prerequisites people seem to associate with critical thinking in this thread, im kind of proud of Ne's last position, tbh. And not surprised at all. Ne is inclusive afterall. People seem to be associating critical thinking with reductive and dismissive qualities.
    Ti when using slave Ne and tert Si, would be the most critical thinking combination. Ti to create the logical framework, Ne to information gather and consider everything inscope, and Si to ground with its focus on explicit concrete details. The net result is a holistic 3-D picture of what 'is' which is the ground work for Ne to leap off, for possibilities.

    But Ne on its lonesome displays no critical thinking, especially since it's a perceiving, irrational function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Ti when using slave Ne and tert Si, would be the most critical thinking combination. Ti to create the logical framework, Ne to information gather and consider everything inscope, and Si to ground with its focus on explicit concrete details. The net result is a holistic 3-D picture of what 'is' which is the ground work for Ne to leap off, for possibilities.

    But Ne on its lonesome displays no critical thinking, especially since it's a perceiving, irrational function.
    I wholeheartedly disagree - but given my dom preference, that is hardly a shock. Ti ne is best in their field. And woefully inadequate wrt their blindspot - as any function combo will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I wholeheartedly disagree - but given my dom preference, that is hardly a shock. Ti ne is best in their field. And woefully inadequate wrt their blindspot - as any function combo will be.
    What blind spot might that be and why the ignoring of Si's explicity addition to the combination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    What blind spot might that be and why the ignoring of Si's explicity addition to the combination?
    Coz im on an iphone. And their critical thinking often seriously lacks wrt how to solve things like relationship issues as thats just not what theyre geared at. The lack of info that theyre used to handling and mishandling of foreign data due to inexperience and ignorance using systems that arent geared towards the kind of critical thinking needed often leads to many a repeated mistake before stumbling upon a solution at best and ending up with traumatised si at worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Coz im on an iphone. And their critical thinking often seriously lacks wrt how to solve things like relationship issues as thats just not what theyre geared at. The lack of info that theyre used to handling and mishandling of foreign data due to inexperience and ignorance using systems that arent geared towards the kind of critical thinking needed often leads to many a repeated mistake before stumbling upon a solution at best and ending up with traumatised si at worst.
    Forgive my blind spot but since when is critical thinking a form of subjective emotional analysis. That's about as bad as the term, emotional intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Forgive my blind spot but since when is critical thinking a form of subjective emotional analysis. That's about as bad as the term, emotional intelligence.
    Right. Hence the disagreement. Guess for me it means actually critically thinking about something, taking all available data into consideration, understanding it, taking it apart and coming up with solutions. I ll leave defining the term to you guys, though
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    The OP question is poorly phrased, with no real room for nuance or understanding of what critical thinking really is.

    Exactly.

    The problem is that it is fairly easy to describe what critical thinking is. Then there are those individuals that insist that THEY are employing critical thinking, and everyone else disagreeing with them are just a bunch of idiots who refuse to see reason. They THEY see all the multitude of shades, and everyone else just sees black and white.

    As it is described in this video, it would appear to map more to Ni than other functions, especially based on a fairly early comparison (at 0:20 or so), where it describes memorizing a solution to a problem, vs being able to come up with your own effective solutions to a multitude of problems. This is what Ni excels at, namely analyzing new problems where one cannot simply Google the answer, for example.

    But critical thinking isn't JUST that. It's about being able to analyze things at all sorts of levels, and depending on the scope of the problem, certain functions will be more apt at critical thinking in those terms than others. Fe and Fi will be better at handling human/personal issues. Te and Ti will be better at practical logical/logistical issues. Si and Se I would suspect are the weakest at critical thinking as described in that video, as their the most likely to be influenced by cultural ideas and values (which isn't a bad thing, btw - there is a huge amount of unarticulated knowledge and accumulated wisdom in there).

    Most of all, critical thinking is more of an attitude than a skill. The attitude allows one to develop the skill, but if one has some degree of smarts and skillz, absence of the attitude guarantees that however much one might believe in their "critical thinking" skills, they aren't really doing it.
    I think F and T are required for better analysis of their respective strata of information yet the belowgiven is crucial and requires some sort of mechanism above or almost as strong as F and T analysis engines...

    So Ni or Si above these might work towards optimizing one's thought processes... I know how Ni works to that end, but don't know how Si does...

    thinking about one's thinking in a manner designed to organize and clarify, raise the efficiency of, and recognize errors and biases in one's own thinking. Critical thinking is not 'hard' thinking nor is it directed at solving problems (other than 'improving' one's own thinking). Critical thinking is inward-directed with the intent of maximizing the rationality of the thinker. One does not use critical thinking to solve problems - one uses critical thinking to improve one's process of thinking.[11]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    And their critical thinking often seriously lacks wrt how to solve things like relationship issues as thats just not what theyre geared at. The lack of info that theyre used to handling and mishandling of foreign data due to inexperience and ignorance using systems that arent geared towards the kind of critical thinking needed often leads to many a repeated mistake before stumbling upon a solution at best and ending up with traumatised si at worst.
    ^ critical thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Forgive my blind spot but since when is critical thinking a form of subjective emotional analysis. That's about as bad as the term, emotional intelligence.
    ^ issues with the inferior

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