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    Men aren't simple creatures, they are or rather, can be quite complex, actually.

    Here's an interesting article

    http://www.econjournalwatch.org/pdf/...ingMay2008.pdf
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    Interesting comments.

    I sort of agree with most of them, yet none of them.

    The truth seems to be that there are differences (triggered mostly by hormonal influences, and the differentiation of particular biological gender structures), yet there's a ton of overlap (as a minor point, each man or woman has varying degrees of hormones in their bodies, there's no "blanket" hormonal profile, just general typical ranges) and society definitely has taken minor or nuanced differences and created social artifices on top of them.

    As a side note, though, testosterone's definitely the "sex me up" drug.

    Running on testosterone: "Mentally somewhere else; sees a hot girl walks by; gaaa, let's do her, even if I'm not interested and I have a 500lb migraine."

    Running on estrogen: "TV show I like. Ice cream. Nice bath. Sex. Yeah, any of those, why not? Actually, the ice cream might be less messy."

    That's why women are sometimes prescribed small amounts of testosterone, to bump up their drive a little, when they have trouble being interested but have an interested partner.
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    If I can be completely honest, I haven't seen much difference.

    Part of the reason why men and women seem so different might be... you know, the whole 'opposites attract' thing. Ignoring the traits that you're not attracted to/mystified by and playing up the traits that do, therefore making the two seem much more 'different' than they really are.

    Then again, what I could see happening is there being a rather wide difference between men and women, but it's not even close to the differences that everyone 'know'.

    It's more a matter of, if you're looking at the big picture, there's no difference at all, but if you get closer, you see differences, but if you get close enough to see many significant differences, there's too much variance between individuals that these supposed differences could just be considered differences between individuals. It's like, we'd have "A through X" types of behaviors women, but if 5/6ths of the types of behaviors are analogous with types of behaviors with men, and most people only show up to have 3/4ths of the traits... well, that's pretty useless, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    And all of the questions I'm asking so far side-step the part about you calling men simple creatures. Which is something of an insult to me, and I imagine you would have an especially hard time validating that with evolutionary psychology.
    I think maybe you took her too seriously-- it looked to me like she was "kidding on the square." Basically kidding but with a grain of seriousness behind it. And she's right, in one sense. Male sexuality is a lot simpler than female sexuality, which makes total sense evolutionarily-speaking because the one biological imperative is that the man must ejaculate to keep the species going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I think maybe you took her too seriously-- it looked to me like she was "kidding on the square." Basically kidding but with a grain of seriousness behind it. And she's right, in one sense. Male sexuality is a lot simpler than female sexuality, which makes total sense evolutionarily-speaking because the one biological imperative is that the man must ejaculate to keep the species going.
    I agree.

    The prerogative to continue the ultimate success of our species must be suitably less dynamic in complexity as to disabuse the male from the sophistication of evolutionary biology.

    As females do not possess such a mandate (in the strictest sense), they can afford to restrict their reproductive budget around a position of psychological intimacy; that is to say, the female is able to suspend her desires towards a personalized behavioral construct - like blue eyes; broad shoulders; robust finances - etc.

    The comment wasn't - as I read it - meant as an obvious slap. Men are fundamentally simpler in design.

    Women love. Men love...to fuck.

    This is a good thing.




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    BTW, I have to say it: "Honeybuns" = :steam:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post

    Women love. Men love...to fuck.

    This is a good thing.




    Thanks Jennifer!
    The animalistic approach. I love it! Can't wait for Limey to get home tonight!
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    I honestly don't know what to believe when I hear about gender differences. I do think that some of them exist, but not enough to make very extreme generalizations.

    One thing I've noticed in daily life is that men, on a general level, are more likely to better drivers than women. That doesn't mean that women can't be good drivers, or that a woman can't be a batter driver than a man.

    In MBTI itself we see that women are more likely to be Feelers than men.

    As for sexuality... I guess that since men have the sperm, they're more likely to be promiscuous while women are more picky about choosing a mate for that egg. That doesn't mean society should encourage men to 'sow their oats' and socialize women into believing that they ought to seek monogamy because they're women.

    Oh, and I'd rather not think of men as simple creatures. Some men are simple creatures. But some women are simple creatures too. Not all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edel weiss View Post

    In MBTI itself we see that women are more likely to be Feelers than men.
    Is this true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Is this true?
    I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure that feeling will manifest differently in F men and F women, particularly FJ types.
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