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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Also, think big, or bigger at least.

    Think of males and females in the *entire* animal kingdom.

    Then think smaller, think animals in the mammalian sense, sans hyenas, you will definitely recognize behavioral tendencies of males and females that transcend the species level.

    For all intents and purposes and to be concise,

    Femininity ~ Estrogen-induced behaviors/characteristics

    Masculinity ~ Testosterone-induced behaviors/characteristics
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Also, think big, or bigger at least.

    Think of males and females in the *entire* animal kingdom.

    Then think smaller, think of animals in the mammalian sense, sans hyenas, you will definitely recognize behavioral tendencies of males and females that transcend the species level.
    Or I could pick gibbons, where the two are about the same.
    I hate the animal kingdom examples... Too much cherry picking. And it's also something of a non-sequitur once we identify how different each species is. We are our own species, so I don't know how much we can conclude about ourselves by looking at one of them. It was like when Kiddo was trying to claim that we should naturally be like bonobos, because they were our closest relatives. I was trying to explain to him how little sense that made.
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    Men linking sex and money?!?!?!??

    Well that's just retarded.

    Here, enjoy a *viable* resource on evolutionary psychology.

    Evolutionary Psychology
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Pssht.

    I've sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo done my research on this subject.

    I actually happen to exhibit plenty of androgynous characteristics as well.

    Go do some research on the physiological effects of estrogen and testosterone on human behavior.

    To put an emphasis on societal and environmental factors on sexuality and sex differences is a disservice to people like homosexuals. They are biologically wired differently, just as women and men happen to be.

    Of course there are and will forever be exceptions to the *general* rules.

    Regardless, please, I implore you, do your research.
    Well, maybe the effect that testosterone and estrogen have on experiences is more pronounced than I first thought, and maybe I will do some research on it, but I'm still very wary of seeing the differences as vast, and also wary of trying to take experiences that seem supiciously universal and say that they are only the domain of either the male or female half of the universe. I'm not saying there aren't physiological differences that affect the experiences of males and females, just that I'd be careful of ascribing too much to them. On the other hand, it's entirely possible I'm ascribing too little, but I'd much rather go that route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Men linking sex and money?!?!?!??

    Well that's just retarded.
    Why's it retarded? It makes perfect sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Or I could pick gibbons, where the two are about the same.
    I hate the animal kingdom examples... Too much cherry picking. And it's also something of a non-sequitur once we identify how different each species is. We are our own species, so I don't know how much we can conclude about ourselves by looking at one of them. It was like when Kiddo was trying to claim that we should naturally be like bonobos, because they were our closest relatives. I was trying to explain to him how little sense that made.


    Um, do you um,, like not believe in um, evolution?

    Regardless, obviously you are not much of a biologist, to each his own I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post


    Um, do you um,, like not believe in um, evolution?

    Regardless, obviously you are not much of a biologist, to each his own I guess.

    I believe in evolution... That comment seemed almost deliberate in how much it missed the point.

    Bonobos, gorillas gibbons, and orangutans all have very, very different mating styles. It's an example of how a cluster of closely related species could have significant divergence in their habits. It also implies that we won't have a lot of success trying to determine our own habits based on one of theirs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mempy View Post
    On the other hand, it's entirely possible I'm ascribing too little, but I'd much rather go that route.
    And on philosophical grounds, I really have to agree with her about this. If we are going to make a mistake(and we probably are) I'd much rather under-estimate gender differences than over-estimate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mempy View Post
    Well, maybe the effect that testosterone and estrogen have on experiences is more pronounced than I first thought, and maybe I will do some research on it, but I'm still very wary of seeing the differences as vast, and also wary of trying to take experiences that seem supiciously universal and say that they are only the domain of either the male or female half of the universe. I'm not saying there aren't physiological differences that affect the experiences of males and females, just that I'd be careful of ascribing too much to them. On the other hand, it's entirely possible I'm ascribing too little, but I'd much rather go that route.
    Fair enough.

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    Why's it retarded? It makes perfect sense.
    I sense sarcasm, but then again, one never really knows with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Fair enough.


    I sense sarcasm, but then again, one never really knows with you.
    No, I was being serious. They both stimulate pleasure. We strive for both resources and sex to promote longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I believe in evolution... That comment seemed almost deliberate in how much it missed the point.

    Bonobos, gorillas gibbons, and orangutans all have very, very different mating styles. It's an example of how a cluster of closely related species could have significant divergence in their habits. It also implies that we won't have a lot of success trying to determine our own habits based on one of theirs.
    One concept: Sexual dimorphism.

    Sexual dimorphism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sexual dimorphism in non-human primates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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