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    every single person in this thread missed my point.I'm talking about people who are different just to be different, no other reason
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    Because they think that by being overly non-traditional and shunning traditional values they are being open minded but in reality they are just as closed minded as those who practice traditional values. They don't realize that being open minded is being open to both traditional and non-traditional values, not believing in anything non-traditional just for the sake of it and shunning tradition just like those who only believe in traditional values do in regards to non-traditional values.

    These sorts of people don't seem to understand that you don't fight what you hate by becoming what you hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLazarus View Post
    Because they want to be special snowflakes, and because they think that by being overly non-traditional and shunning traditional values they are being open minded but in reality they are just as closed minded as those who practice traditional values. They don't realize that being open minded is being open to both conservative and traditional values, not believing in anything non-traditional just for the sake of it and shunning tradition just like those who only believe in traditional values do.
    You got it! finally!
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    Let's all nonconform in the exact same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    I don't like when tradition becomes something people feel compelled to "enforce". Having always done something a certain way is a fine reason to continue doing so, as long as its impacts continue to be positive, but it is not a good reason to limit new ideas.

    But usually I appreciate tradition because it tends to contain and transmit the meaningful "heart" of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    every single person in this thread missed my point.I'm talking about people who are different just to be different, no other reason
    Back in college there were many such people in the Architecture Department... Why would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post


    Let's all nonconform in the exact same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Back in college there were many such people in the Architecture Department... Why would that be?
    because they like architecture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    every single person in this thread missed my point.I'm talking about people who are different just to be different, no other reason
    It's a strategy. Not that people who do it probably think of it that way.

    This is all conjecture, but my guess is that in the first place these people did encounter some incompatibility with the field of tradition. Having already encountered one bar to entry, they had make choices about how to deal with this. One approach is to completely anti-conform. I think this has a couple of benefits. I think it is empowering, because it makes it seem like you are not concerned with fitting in and pre-empting rejection. If you've ever seen someone play the clown in order to diffuse potential mockery, you've seen this concept in action. Also, while it is an irony often lost on the people participating, I think the fact that this approach allows for such easy conformity in a separate subcultural group is part of why it is popular. Mere reversal of everything is an easy logic to follow, it's easy for people to do, it is easy to conform to, so it easily creates a coherent group for those who find the traditional conformity unpalatable or inaccessible.

    I can understand it to the extent that it's probably better to look like you're striking out and making your own rules, than look like you're pathetically failing at someone else's.

    Personally, I think one's ideas of good and bad should relate to conformity. Neither conformity nor anti-conformity should even enter the calculus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    because they like architecture.
    Perhaps they are first trying to free themselves of the conditioning of the tradition so that they can define their own identity and style... to design innovative things...

    And then perhaps when their style settles and stabilizes in time, they may try to integrate tradition more into their lives and styles, some kind of reconciliation...

    The reverse may be true for the traditionalists as well...

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