is it possible, to convince someone they're somebody else?

[prplchknz]

by keep telling them that they're in denial about it? is it moral. What if they're life depended, on it, like let's say they go somewhere and if they tell this guy their real name they're going to get murdered. and no one knows, except you, would it be ok to convince the person that they were someone completely different? because you couldn't explain rationaly enough as to why they should lie, and they're very stubborn?

 

[ndovjtjcaqidthi]

I'm a girl.

 

[prplchknz]

I'm a girl.

I know

 

[ndovjtjcaqidthi]

I know

I know you know.

 

[prplchknz]

I know you know.

but do you know that I know that you know that I know? hmmm?

 

[ndovjtjcaqidthi]

but do you know that I know that you know that I know? hmmm?

Yes, I know that too.

 

[prplchknz]

Yes, I know that too.

we are no longer friends

 

[LadyLazarus]

we are no longer friends

*Nights and Days voice* I knew that too.

 

[xisnotx]

level 4 of knowing..quite the feat

 

[Iriohm]

In knowing ourselves, and the teachings of Zerthimon, we have become stronger.

Srsly, though, I imagine it depends on the type of person you're dealing with. You may succeed in convincing me I am someone else, for instance, if you're very persistant about it and manage to sneak appropriate props into the picture. As for the morality of it, again I can only tell you my opinion, that being that life of any kind hits very high on the list of things it is ethical to preserve. Identity is also pretty high up there, though.

If the process would result simply in the subject believing they go by a different name, and possibly lead a different life, then I'd say them not getting killed is more important. If the process would result in a drastic and irreversible reform of their identity (say, forced amnesia), then no, I don't believe it would be ethical. Basically, if nothing of their original self survives trying to "save" them, then what's the point?

 

[Werebudgie]

by keep telling them that they're in denial about it? is it moral. What if they're life depended, on it, like let's say they go somewhere and if they tell this guy their real name they're going to get murdered. and no one knows, except you, would it be ok to convince the person that they were someone completely different? because you couldn't explain rationaly enough as to why they should lie, and they're very stubborn?

I wouldn't do it. If I understand the post, it would require me to mindfuck/gaslight someone - basically break them by disconnecting their trust in their own perception and knowledge, relying on deception to do so - and I think that's a horribly violent thing to do to someone. I don't even know if I actually could do it, but whatever the case, that's a kind of violence I'm not willing to do. As for saving their life - if telling the person outright doesn't do it, it's not my responsibility to do violence to them supposedly "for their own good." We all die eventually.