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    Default Reframing Advertising

    Advertising teaches us how to enjoy the product.

    If we reframe advertising in this way, we get a new perspective.

    So advertising has been framed, and we take the guilt of advertising for granted.

    But if we can frame, we can reframe.

    And we can step outside the frame by saying that advertising teaches us how to enjoy the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Advertising teaches us how to enjoy the product.

    If we reframe advertising in this way, we get a new perspective.

    So advertising has been framed, and we take the guilt of advertising for granted.

    But if we can frame, we can reframe.

    And we can step outside the frame by saying that advertising teaches us how to enjoy the product.
    No, it teaches us how to enjoy the idea of the product. There in lies the problem.

    Just like priests, advertising execs will flat out tell you if you have them in the playpen you have them for life.

    It's a concept old as dirt that has been used by people who are powerful and want social control since before advertising existed.

    The corporate form of capitalism is very similar to warped experiments with communism.

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    Even the word corporation implies unity, togetherness, for the good of all. In the U.S. we actually have CORPORATE PERSONHOOD.

    I have had people try to argue with me that corporations are for the good of mankind. Like Pure Mercury, a very intelligent ESFJ who drank the kool aid.

    Kool aid, see, brand symbol archetypes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    What I don't agree with at all, is that advertizement is inheriently evil, that all business is bad because it's business, and all those at high positions are evil. You haven't given anything that suggests that it is other than personal opinion of what you have experienced. It just strikes me as "sheeple! Fuck the system! Because it's the system!" and I just don't take well to that at all, as it causes more problems than it tries to fix.
    Advertising may not be inherently evil, but at least in the US today, most of it is downright manipulative. Its purpose is to stimulate action on the part of the viewer, specifically the spending of money. Advertising should focus less on the customer and more on the product. Present the product in the most accurate and transparent light, and let it attract customers who are really interested. A good product will sell itself to those who need or want it. It's a bit like dating: you don't have to make everyone want to go out with you; be yourself, and attract the right ones.
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    “An ad that pretends to be art is -- at absolute best -- like somebody who smiles warmly at you only because he wants something from you. This is dishonest, but what's sinister is the cumulative effect that such dishonesty has on us: since it offers a perfect facsimile or simulacrum of goodwill without goodwill's real spirit, it messes with our heads and eventually starts upping our defenses even in cases of genuine smiles and real art and true goodwill. It makes us feel confused and lonely and impotent and angry and scared. It causes despair."
    Exactly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Just like priests, advertising execs will flat out tell you if you have them in the playpen you have them for life.
    I agree for the most part, but as with religion, some us manage to shake alot of it off. Why is that, and if some of us do it, why not the rest? I grew up in a fairly average middle class household. No special efforts were made to insulate me from TV, advertising, gender targeting of toys/clothes, or anything else. My parents were older, and probably had rather traditional ideas about gender and many other topics. It didn't take me long to reject most of that, though.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Advertising may not be inherently evil, but at least in the US today, most of it is downright manipulative. Its purpose is to stimulate action on the part of the viewer, specifically the spending of money. Advertising should focus less on the customer and more on the product. Present the product in the most accurate and transparent light, and let it attract customers who are really interested. A good product will sell itself to those who need or want it. It's a bit like dating: you don't have to make everyone want to go out with you; be yourself, and attract the right ones.

    Exactly.

    I agree for the most part, but as with religion, some us manage to shake alot of it off. Why is that, and if some of us do it, why not the rest? I grew up in a fairly average middle class household. No special efforts were made to insulate me from TV, advertising, gender targeting of toys/clothes, or anything else. My parents were older, and probably had rather traditional ideas about gender and many other topics. It didn't take me long to reject most of that, though.
    You know, it may be personality, and maybe it is more effective on certain personalities...I have most often heard that Si Fe or Fe Si types are most "doomed" to their environment. Even if they are smart the nature of their function order makes in group or family norms very difficult to overcome, like the ESFJ who is raised in the mafia. That is why I balk at the stereotype that all SJs are conservative or whatever, because no Si is individual and in groups vary in their values.

    For me and people like me, it's almost like half of me wants it and half of me doesn't, and the half of me that wants it is for dreamlike delusional childish comfort. A sort of freedom in innocent ignorance.

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    In fact I wonder how some one would speculate on my function order based on my lifelong reaction to media and gender roles. I embraced anything in my environment enthusiastically as a child, I was a great trend spotter, I had the good sense to like David Bowie when I was all of SIX and at seven knew how to.look like a current rock star in a talent show, and we didn't even have MTV until I was about ten. On the Disney channel I picked out little Fergie on KIDS Incorporated as my favorite, and had every album that mattered by begging my family. I still have a catalog of pop culture and commercial culture in my head, but also philosophically resist it, and hate when people are walking adverts unless it's ironic.

    I collected data throughout my childhood to categorize as an adult.

    I am.more clear on the eighties than the 00s, though I was busy living life then, didn't watch tv for at least a two year period of the 00s and just recalled that 00s music channel was fuse. It was more important to collect data about Vegas in the 00s, my immediate environment, than pop culture tv trends, though I can name bands and movies I personally enjoyed from the last decade.

    Se dom? Ne dom? Si dom? I don't think the latter is possible because of.my adventurous approach to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Address the points. The rest is too familiar and irrelevant.
    Only adding context to it.

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