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    Thanks, missed that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clueless View Post
    Why do you insist upon calling him Ted?

    Victor, why does s/he call you Ted? Why do you call yourself Ted? Your name is Victor, or so I thought.

    Changing your name yet again?
    Colmena was kind enough to defend me by suggesting that I was just a big teddy bear. So from then on, I've been Ted.

    I am always Victor but sometimes Victor the teddy bear. Or just Ted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Poetic thinking is different from normal thinking.

    Normal thinking is interested in thinking about while poetic thinking is interested in being.

    So in poetic thinking the thinker and the thought collapse into one, so the thinker disappears into the thought just as you disappear in that sweet moment of juissance.

    But you soon reappear and seek another moment of disappearance - that is why it is called, "the little death" or "la petite mort".

    We die and we come to life to long to die once again. And this is the secret of happiness - alternance.

    And alternance is the secret of poetry. We move from our awake state - our normal state of mind - from our ego - into the words themselves. So we are no longer talking about things, we are things - just as the lover becomes the beloved.

    But then we wake and ask ourselves, what does it all mean?

    Until we loose all meaning once again in juissance.

    I like this much, Victor.

    N.B., it is spelled "jouissance."


    cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    I like this much, Victor.

    N.B., it is spelled "jouissance."


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    Thanks Ian. It's nice to hear from you. And thanks for, "jouissance".

    Victor.

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    I agree with Victor about poetic thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I agree with Victor about poetic thinking.
    And how agreeable you are, dear Heart.

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    I remember a type of quote people used to say
    But I never really understood it 'til today

    Life will only get harder from here
    I think about that almost every time I shed a tear

    I look back on the happy years I once had
    And I wish for them to come back Oh so bad

    Pressure is a big part of teenage lives today
    Temptations of sex, drugs, and violence never seem to go away

    You never really know which road to choose
    It seems which ever way you go, your bound to lose

    Happiness eventually falls on your lap
    Only to look once more and see it gone in a snap

    Why does it seem I can't smile like before?
    As if the joyous part of me walked right out the door

    I never show my true feelings which is why I'm writing this poem
    I guess my feelings are personal to me and I'm too embarrassed to show 'em

    One day I'll find happiness again
    I just have to live my life until then

    And while I'm waiting just for that
    I think I'll give myself a pat on the back

    'Cuz I've come this far without giving up completely
    I'm trying to enjoy life, it's very difficult, believe me

    I guess that's the message I'm trying to send out
    To keep your head up when giving up is what your thinkin 'bout

    Take life's punches right in the face
    And you'll see things will come to you at there own pace

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    I agree with you victor, on all your way of truth finding you have embraced truth with your words, very very very close. In a way Even I understand.

    But despite the feeling of thinking you must have to be poetriesized, let us never forget the meaning of personal poems.
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    That was a good poem.
    Still using a needle to break apart a grain of sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Poetic thinking is different from normal thinking.

    Normal thinking is interested in thinking about while poetic thinking is interested in being.

    So in poetic thinking the thinker and the thought collapse into one, so the thinker disappears into the thought just as you disappear in that sweet moment of jouissance.

    But you soon reappear and seek another moment of disappearance - that is why it is called, "the little death" or "la petite mort".

    We die and we come to life to long to die once again.
    And this is the secret of happiness - alternance.

    And alternance is the secret of poetry. We move from our awake state - our normal state of mind - from our ego - into the words themselves. So we are no longer talking about things, we are things - just as the lover becomes the beloved.

    But then we wake and ask ourselves, what does it all mean?

    Until we loose all meaning once again in jouissance.

    That is poetic in itself. It's beautiful. The bolded resonated with me quite a bit (the cycle is reminiscent of a certain mythical bird ). However, I am puzzled by the underlined portion. What do you mean by "happiness" and how does alternance get you there? I sense a bit of escapism in "jouissance." I'm projecting existential crisis into "what does it all mean?" Is that escape the happiness you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix13 View Post
    That is poetic in itself. It's beautiful. The bolded resonated with me quite a bit (the cycle is reminiscent of a certain mythical bird ). However, I am puzzled by the underlined portion. What do you mean by "happiness" and how does alternance get you there? I sense a bit of escapism in "juissance." I'm projecting existential crisis into "what does it all mean?" Is that escape the happiness you speak of?
    Up from the ashes, O Phoenix.

    And on to answer your questions -

    We are inclined to focus on a single thing - when we are at work, we focus on work - and when we are on holiday, we focus on enjoying ourselves - and sometimes we think, if only I could stay on holiday forever, I would be forever happy. But soon it would pall and we would become bored.

    So our happiness lies not in being on holiday all the time but in alternating between work and holidays - the French call it, "alternance".

    And they generalise it to other aspects of life such as interval training where you exercise then rest, then exercise then rest and so on.

    I am particularly fond of alternance in dancing then relaxing, dance then relaxing , etc.

    I dance for five minutes then I sit for five minutes. I do this five times. And it takes fifty minutes.

    When I dance for five minutes, I become eurphoric. And when I sit for five minutes, the relaxation response automatically kicks in and I deeply relax.

    So I alternate between euphoria and relaxation over a period of fifty minutes.

    This set up a metabolic wave in my body - when I dance my heart rate goes up, my breathing goes up, my galvanic skin response goes up as do many other metabolic indicators.

    But when I sit down all my metabolic rates come down - so I peak while dancing and trough when sitting.

    This sets up a metabolic wave in my body quite like a sine wave.

    And doctors tell me that, within proper limits, the larger the wave, the healthier you are.

    And the smaller the wave, the sicker you are until your metabolic waves become so small you are flatlining. And then of course you are not alive at all.

    So I say life depends on large, healthy metabolic waves - life depends on alternance - and life is happiness.

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