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    My decision to change from the faith I was raised in to follow another path was based on intuition, but I don't know that I experienced my intuition as a flash of insite. It was kind of a slow, persistant thing. That was probably because I was resistant to it at first.

    I tend not to make quick judgements. I tend to let things sit in my head a while. To be honest, I am not comfortable with having to make quick decisions. If I can go back and chose the same choice I made a week or two ago, I feel better about the choice.

    One major decision I made based on intuition was to stop taking a medicine I was on. It turned out to be the right choice because I was having some medical problems that turned out to be side effects to the medication. The side effects did not show up till after I had been on the medication around 8 months and had not changed dosage in the last 5 months. All the doctors I went to said it couldn't be the medication because I would have felt the side effects earlier. I was resistant to that one as well because it contradicted what the doctors told me and I could not think of any rational reason to explain my decision.

    I also recently chose two new exercise programs (a dance program and a strenght program) based on dream interpretation and intuition. It is still to early to tell if they are the right choice for me. Well I do feel more flexible and looser in my muscles from doing the dance program only a short time so that is one positive thing.

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    I think i have done all the major life decisions based on intuition. There's a pattern. First I get more and more bored with the current way things are going (this can go on for quite a while, years even), then I make a dramatic turn-around (leaving everybody thinking ive lost my marbles). Later on I will see that the change has given me exactly what I needed, even if I didnt know it consciously. The same happens when there's a deadline for a decision. I wait to the last minute and choose something that makes no sense at the time.

    I've been thinking, though, that there is no proof if this really is me choosing the best option with intuition, or if it is just my way to explain to myself that an option has been the right one, when in fact it might have been the wrong one. But, then again... even if I choose these things randomly... why not? Is there a right way to choose your path in life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    I've been thinking, though, that there is no proof if this really is me choosing the best option with intuition, or if it is just my way to explain to myself that an option has been the right one, when in fact it might have been the wrong one. But, then again... even if I choose these things randomly... why not? Is there a right way to choose your path in life?
    There's some research out there that says we make the best decision when we go with our dominant function--if we've learned to use it well. For example, if an Intuitive child lived with parents who, every time he/she expressed an intuition, said, "Where are your facts? You can't just pull something out of thin air. Now go back and put some time into this" RATHER than encourage the child to reason backward from their intuition to see if it checks out well, he/she might never trust those flashes and may never really master the other path either.

    If you're intuition's working, use it! I'm Ni, my partner is Se, and it amazes me how he doesn't trust his Intuition at all, or sometimes understand how I can make what seem like leaps into black holes. On the other hand his decisions work really well for him and I'm amazed at the amount of legwork he can do building the database before making one. But it works for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    I'm talking about momentary flashes of insight that guide a MAJOR DECISION IN YOUR LIFE. You can call it Ni if it helps, but I'm particularly talking about a moment where you step back and survey a situation subconsciously to gain sudden insight into whatever is going on. I've seen in described in psychological literature (by Liberman, et al) as implicit processing -- beyond or before language.

    Do you trust those insights? Have you ever been betrayed by those intuitive leaps?
    It's not necessarily Ni -- both modes require some internalizing before action... connections don't happen by magic.

    Relevant to the question you actually asked, of course I trust them. It's where most of my posting history comes from. Often they're pretty convoluted, but they still end up being right. I call those good days.

    As far as making major life decisions... well I'm pretty good at backing out of anything. I don't have any major life decisions. Commitment etc. exists only on paper, or if you have lots of chains.
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    That describes my experience, except that I wouldn't blame it all on my parents. It seemed to me like I was always asked by just about everyone to explain/justify my unusual choices. I think this pushed me to lean more strongly on my T. Sometimes I could come up with a logical rational that matched what my N told me. In general though I came to devalue my N and to ignore it when I could not find any logic that matched it.

    What I want to know is how can I get back to strenghening my N, learning to trust it, making up for retarding it's natural growth, etc.?

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    [QUOTE=edcoaching;244281]There's some research out there that says we make the best decision when we go with our dominant function--if we've learned to use it well. For example, if an Intuitive child lived with parents who, every time he/she expressed an intuition, said, "Where are your facts? You can't just pull something out of thin air. Now go back and put some time into this" RATHER than encourage the child to reason backward from their intuition to see if it checks out well, he/she might never trust those flashes and may never really master the other path either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilah View Post
    That describes my experience, except that I wouldn't blame it all on my parents. It seemed to me like I was always asked by just about everyone to explain/justify my unusual choices. I think this pushed me to lean more strongly on my T. Sometimes I could come up with a logical rational that matched what my N told me. In general though I came to devalue my N and to ignore it when I could not find any logic that matched it.

    What I want to know is how can I get back to strenghening my N, learning to trust it, making up for retarding it's natural growth, etc.?
    If you're really INTP then Ti would be the dominant. With others though you'd express Ne--ideas that might seem like brainstorming for those listening. Usually, it works for Ti's to generate those ideas in conversation with someone they consider a good sounding board and perhaps talk through criteria for the decision as well. Then, alone, the Ti would compare the ideas to internal principles, considering precedents, goals, and consistency with other aspects of life. Gathering more data or taking the time to theorize usually builds confidence.

    INTJs, with Ni as the dominant, would take a whole different approach to improving their facility with Ni--and it might take a bit of a thick skin. The best gut feelings would come from time alone. Then they might need to work on Te with a trusted other (someone who will encourage instead of critiquing too quickly) to discern the merit of the choice.

    As an INFJ, the older I get, the less I like acting solo even though I've had success trusting my Ni. There's a confidence level and wisdom that comes from talking through a scheme with someone else. Sometimes the basics stay the same but I gain insights into what else I should consider, steps that increase the odds of success, how I might garner more support (even monetarily) and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    There's some research out there that says we make the best decision when we go with our dominant function--if we've learned to use it well. For example, if an Intuitive child lived with parents who, every time he/she expressed an intuition, said, "Where are your facts? You can't just pull something out of thin air. Now go back and put some time into this" RATHER than encourage the child to reason backward from their intuition to see if it checks out well, he/she might never trust those flashes and may never really master the other path either.
    Well, I could have used my T to replace my N partially. The problem with intuition is that you cant really test if it works. With logic its a different case. Can you recommend good books about the subject?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Well, I could have used my T to replace my N partially. The problem with intuition is that you cant really test if it works. With logic its a different case. Can you recommend good books about the subject?
    I'm checking around. Have you seen the actual problem-solving model Myers developed?
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    Dude Edahn did you answer your own OP?

    I wanna hear what you got to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Dude Edahn did you answer your own OP?

    I wanna hear what you got to say.
    I've been thinking about it a lot these past couple days and honestly, I'm not 100% sure.

    Part of the question is "what is that intuition?" Some people, like my friend, assign some sacred value, as if the intuition is never wrong. I'm not so sure. I have a feeling that what those intuitive moments signal is not necessarily what's BEST for you, but what you really feel deep down when all the forces that steer your decision in some direction are quieted. For that reason, you feel calm when you get these insights. So, I think it's a good indicator of how you really feel, but not necessarily a good indicator of truth for the content of what you feel. Meaning, you could be feeling like someone is a shithead. Your feeling is totally true, but whether or not that person is a shithead is still up for debate.

    (By the way, that was a totally arbitrary example. I don't think you're a shithead.)

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