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    Default Do narcisists know they are narcisistic?

    Or are they in denial? Maybe they know but don't care? What do you think?

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    Probably, though it most likely depends on a case by case basis.
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    I don't think many narcissists do. They couldn't be anything so lame as a narcissist.

    Some could, perhaps, but probably most of them don't, unless they've been to a psychiatrist. And why would they go? They're such awesome healthy people!
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    From what I've read, I've gathered that most do not realize they are. There's many different ways to qualify "narcissist"- from everyday narcissism to full on NPD behaviors, but pretty much across the board it's a coping mechanism (which means they don't realize it's there).

    Not all narcissists have high self-esteem, but I think something they do have in common is an inflated sense of entitlement to take advantage of others/objectify others (eta: and only feeling empathy when it's convenient or when it yields some desired returns- instead of feeling it out of authentic concern for others). If they realized they were objectifying others and expecting attention or resources (or whatever) and felt some kind of entitlement *just because*- and they still felt no shame for taking advantage of others- then they'd be sociopaths instead narcissists.

    That's my understanding anyway. I've read a fair amount on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    From what I've read, I've gathered that most do not realize they are. There's many different ways to qualify "narcissist"- from everyday narcissism to full on NPD behaviors, but pretty much across the board it's a coping mechanism (which means they don't realize it's there).

    Not all narcissists have high self-esteem, but I think something they do have in common is an inflated sense of entitlement to take advantage of others/objectify others (eta: and only feeling empathy when it's convenient or when it yields some desired returns- instead of feeling it out of authentic concern for others).
    It should be noted that there is also a difference between feeling empathy, and acting on it.

    One may feel empathy, but may choose to disregard it in certain circumstances. Suppose someone, for instance, is kind of a jerk. You understand why they are a jerk, but that doesn't stop them from being a jerk. Nothing you can say or do will make them less of a jerk. Should someone respond with empathy, or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    It should be noted that there is also a difference between feeling empathy, and acting on it.

    One may feel empathy, but may choose to disregard it in certain circumstances. Suppose someone, for instance, is kind of a jerk. You understand why they are a jerk, but that doesn't stop them from being a jerk. Nothing you can say or do will make them less of a jerk. Should someone respond with empathy, or not?
    Yeah, interesting, because I don't normally think- when my patience runs out with some people and I stop caring- I'd classify that as 'narcissism'. I mean- is it narcissistic to have boundaries? In a way it is, I guess- at least, maybe according to Fromm's definition of 'narcissism'- but then lack of boundaries is its own problem (codependency....which narcissists are drawn to like flies to honey).

    I think it's more like the motivation to ever feel 'empathy', for narcissists, is fueled by what they can get in return (quite often, this amounts to how others make them feel- they need to be admired). And I use scare quotes because it isn't....real empathy? They don't actually see other people as being individuals with valid feelings, it's more like others are just mirrors for them (to make them feel important/valuable/worthy of love). If you can turn feelings for someone off practically overnight, especially strong feelings- then those feelings are narcissistic: they're more about what you get from the person than actually caring about that person.

    eta: And so anyway- yeah I agree it's possible to feel genuine empathy and not act on it. When acting on it wouldn't especially be productive or helpful to the individual in question, then it can be pointless- but there can still be genuine empathy there.
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    A few years ago, I told a therapist I was a narcissist. And she said: no you're not; you're a teenager.

    Later, she added more seriously that narcissists almost never acknowledge that quality in themselves. Not sure how much she knows though...

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    Narcissists need to be admired... interesting. Could this mean that they might be threatened by someone they think might be better than them at something important to them? Not that it is or isn't the case, but if they feel a threat?
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    I would imagine they believe themselves eminently reasonable and other people overly-sensitive, selfish, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I would imagine they believe themselves eminently reasonable and other people overly-sensitive, selfish, etc.
    Do you think it is impossible for someone to be over-sensitive?

    I think it isn't. A lot of bullies are over-sensitive, though perhaps they don't get called that.
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