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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    It's how they think.
    Okay, but why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think you are projecting.
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    At this stage you're just desperately trying to save face.
    It's funny how everybody else is doing those things all the time around you. Apparently you are gifted with perfect insight into other people's motivations, and never wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, I dont believe you're right about this, although you've been honest about personal baggage you bring to the thread already and I would have expected a post like this one.
    What personal baggage? Are you calling my saying that I had a few worthless therapists and one good one baggage? I know you have professional pride and all, but it's taking it a little too far to think that all therapists are as perfect as you must be and if a client feels they are deriving no benefit from the therapy, clearly, the client is in the wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, lets not. Your view about harm is seriously eschew, by encouraging what's likely to be a flawed and typical way of relating to others, including the therapist, you're likely to make the therapy that's already unway unsuccessful, by encouraging the sort of behaviour exhibited already to remain typical you're likely to make Danseen miserable in his relationships with more people than his therapist and by encouraging complaints and reports, which will be investigated, you're also jeopardising the livelihood and career of what could be a very good therapist with a very difficult client. By you're own lights you're seriously wrong.
    Um yeah, let's defend the therapist at all costs, because you are also a therapist and terrified that a problem client might hurt your career. No, no personal baggage here. No need to be a compassionate human being either. Also, you have taken the perfect measure of the situation and know exactly what Danseen's problems are from just a few posts limited to this thread, and know exactly the course of action needed here. If nothing you say to him produces any positive results, it is also clearly all his fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'll also thank you not to my remarks upon my career or my duties when you so obviously know so, so little about it.
    Pardon me. Only you can know everything about people's lives motivations from a few posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Now you're welcome to reply to this post, you seem a little compulsive about it so far but I'm not going to reply because I seriously suspect that you're trying to make sport and that is very unworthy.
    By all means, save face. You are clearly being compulsively persecuted for sport.
    And that's my two cents on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    It's their culture, as is similar in China. Not all cultures view suicide the same way.

    It's not even my place to say it's healthy, since it's not for me to say how the Japanese should structure their society.
    C'mon, Japan surrendered unconditionally to us and we occupied their country and wrote their Constitution.

    Japan is one of our biggest trading partners and we have good relations with the Japanese military. So we have a deep and profound vested interest in Japan.

    And it is plain to us that one of the reasons Japan has such a huge suicide rate is the almost complete lack of psychologists.

    Also Japan finds self criticism difficult and so relies on external criticism to progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    C'mon, Japan surrendered unconditionally to us and we occupied their country and wrote their Constitution.

    Japan is one of our biggest trading partners and we have good relations with the Japanese military. So we have a deep and profound vested interest in Japan.

    And it is plain to us that one of the reasons Japan has such a huge suicide rate is the almost complete lack of psychologists.

    Also Japan finds self criticism difficult and so relies on external criticism to progress.
    er.. no. Read up on WWII, and frankly every era since the Jomon period. Suicide is part of their culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You sense? That does not appear to be working out for you there.

    I'd pity the fool who would be threatened by you because you're largely, if not completely, unknown here and in little over two pages of a thread you've suceeded in acting appallingly.

    For a while I thought there'd be a point to discussing it with you and point out how you are projecting and appearing very insecure but now I think its only going to result in more posting like this. Very poor. You fail. At life.

    haha.. again, you judge me, I judge you back. and you say you are not hostile. You're weird, you don't get basic norms of human conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Oh I know you would contend that, although there's ample evidence to the contrary but its pretty much been established, although by all means dont hold yourself back from posting some more, that you arent good with evidence and prefer to go with what you, er, sense.

    No one said or affirmed GTFO of here, there's rules against that sort of thing here, by all means make a complaint to the mods if you think there is any substance to what you've just alledged at all. I'll be waiting a long time for any notification of an infraction of board rules and I'm pretty sure the other posters in the thread will be too.

    I never said you were ill, honestly how we're meant to take you seriously when you keep making things up is beyond me, although I do think, from your on going posts, that you exhibit traits which mean you'll be unable to benefit form any helping relationship.

    What if the world is not in conflict with you? What if your psychologist and everyone else isnt out to get you? What if they all dont give a shit and you're not worth a second thought to anyone who's not being paid to?

    Man, what a trip that'd be? Reality check coming in one, two, three....
    eh? What you said doesn't make sense. Though you don't even operate in an honourable profession, so why must I care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    er.. no. Read up on WWII, and frankly every era since the Jomon period. Suicide is part of their culture.
    And psychologists are not part of Japanese culture today.

    However the suffering of those Japanese with the mental illness, Clinical Depression, will be alleviated by Japanese psychologists and many Japanese lives will be saved.

    Apparently you believe in cultural relativatism, but I prefer to alleviate suffering and save lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Two years is a very long time, although some psychoanalysis can go on for two to three years but that is two to three years or meeting perhaps a single time a week or fortnight or month.

    There's different arrangements about time, resources and pricing/costing any service, its been considered in the course of developing practice too, Freud thought that the costs of sessions and penalties for non-attendence were important because it would concentrate the minds of those in therapy and also act as a deterrence to simply dropping out if psychological resistance was building up before a possible break through. Although I think others, like Alfred Adler, didnt feel the same way.

    I know that there's been discussions about whether or not a therapy is proving that it will be terminable or interminable, ie whether it can be concluded or will just carry on perpetually, Erich Fromm believed there was such a divide and that therapists had a duty to inform clients or families of their suspiscions as soon as they arose, as opposed to simply draining bank accounts.

    There is also solutions focused brief therapy, I've been trained in that and its interesting, it would or could well be labelled life couching instead of therapy. When it first emerged it split the therapeutic community in half and lead to walk outs of conferences and all of that kind of thing.

    A case study was presented in which someone presented saying they were ill because they couldnt sleep and that their neighbour upstairs was beaming a lazer down into their head preventing them sleeping. The therapist never mentioned or responded to the comment about lazers and simply concentrated upon sleep disorders and task centring around getting sleep. With that done the patient got more sleep, felt better and never mentioned lazers again. For some therapists that is job done, for others the symptoms were never even tackled.
    hahaa!

    OK, so:

    - you claim to be a therapist

    - you support flagrant violations of your profession's moral/ethical code

    - you dismiss things that the many partake in as an illness. Either you and your ilk are disingenuous or you have schizophrenia. Look, something either is or it's not, it cannot be both. If i lived in India, I'd expect to get punished legally and socially if I hit a cow with my car. If I lived in the USA, I cannot make racist or sexist comments (though your ilk reckons they're just a mass conspiracy, even the black and female ones no less, so perhaps the South will rise again and those black psychologists will be slaves, get beaten, whipped, raped and chained up and be literal property, right?) Your ilk is stupid, since you all don't get the innate contradiction in your beliefs.

    - Your ilk most likely selects who receives ethical treatment. I'd bet if a woman entered your practice whom you think is hot, all the ethical codes in your country would be steadfastly adhered to, right? If something cannot be perceived to be an illness, you don't treat it or even mention it, period. Protestations as to how "it's not an exact science" don't really cut it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    And psychologists are not part of Japanese culture today.

    However the suffering of those Japanese with the mental illness, Clinical Depression, will be alleviated by Japanese psychologists and many Japanese lives will be saved.

    Apparently you believe in cultural relativatism, but I prefer to alleviate suffering and save lives.
    er... most in my culture do. Though psychologists hate modern values and don't comprehend/run away from it, so there you go...

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    This thread has sort of turned into a shitshow.

    @danseen, I'm sorry for the bad experiences that you have had; clearly you've been treated unfairly. But at least in the United States, where I live, the Association of State and Provincial Psychology Boards (ASPPB) and the American Psychological Association (APA) both set ethical standards and address malpractice complaints. Before licensure is granted, psychologists here must take ethics coursework and pass ethics exams, and licensure can be revoked on the basis of unethical practice. Lying, cruelty, mockery, telling you that you deserve harm, informing you that your beliefs are wrong, and personally targeting you are all fair game for complaint to the professional associations that monitor psychological practice. If you feel like you were wronged and that it has caused lasting damage, I would gather all the factual evidence you can and present it to whatever the professional regulatory association for psychologists is in your area, and file a formal complaint.

    Beyond that, though, I do not think it is fair to group all psychologists as hating or not comprehending modern values, or as being out to get you. I am friends with quite a few psychologists who are not at all like the people you have described. They are open and compassionate about their work.

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