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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Pretty categorical there man.
    An internet forum (I'm not gonna say which one) helped me build more confidence in a few years than a shrink did in my whole life. Perhaps it's because of the anonymous status the internet affords, such as not really feeling like you're talking to people (even though naturally you know you are mentally), and therefore, being more comfortable revealing deeper secrets. Other people then respond...which is essentially what a shrink does, except he charges you.

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    Apso you were hostile to me so i am hostile back. It is how humans behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    Ok so according to all of you casual sex is an illness but you post in other threads about friends with benefits.
    I looked over the posts there and none of them mentioned this. None of them said it was an illness and the implication of hypocrisy which you mention is similarly unfounded.

    Oh yes and some desuerve to be beaten up, ok and in other threads you all swy you are kind hahahaha...
    Again, no one posted such a thing.

    Seems you tolerate patient abuse but i dont endorse your moral system...
    Well, if your interaction with the other posters in this thread is anything to go by then your assessment of others is fundamentally flawed and unreliable.

    Therefore I would think that your assessment of your therapist and reports about what they have said to you is, at best, unreliable aswell.

    You're clearly easily upset, which leads to emoting and projecting rather than thinking clearly and weighing up what is actually being said, that is not a very adjusted and adaptive way of thinking and given that your thoughts are going to influence how you feel and how you act it could be a big part of what's lead to you being in therapy to begin with.

    If you cant get a grip on that I dont think psychologists are going to be of any help to you, I'm not sure what will but I wish you luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    A good therapist is worth his/her weight in gold, IMO. Some are good and some aren't. Some are good for some people and not for others and good for dealing with some issues and not others. I got a lot of help from one that specialized in cognitive therapy. Another one I went to, I would have sworn she got her license from a cereal box.


    I know precisely what you mean, despite all the knowledge and skills training in the world for the individual practitioners and all the attempts to systematise and universalise key practices it is always going to boil down to the individual practitioner. Even as you say the individual practitioner and the individual client.

    This, like most other things, I kind of think vindicates the saying about it is the individual not the office which is deserving of respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü™ View Post
    An internet forum (I'm not gonna say which one) helped me build more confidence in a few years than a shrink did in my whole life. Perhaps it's because of the anonymous status the internet affords, such as not really feeling like you're talking to people (even though naturally you know you are mentally), and therefore, being more comfortable revealing deeper secrets. Other people then respond...which is essentially what a shrink does, except he charges you.


    Well, at least you can see the parallels, you know what you're describing there sounds like catharsis, which is a major part of what some researchers say is the benefit of some real old fashioned therapeutic practices as developed and practiced by Freud, like I mean towards the end of his career Freud was sitting behind of out of sight of patients, I'm not sure if it was he or another of his followers who used an actual folding screen, and they were essentially talking to themselves.

    That wouldnt work for me, I dont think, I can attest in some ways too to the benefits of discussing things online though or friends both online and offline.

    Martin Seligman in his pretty fair and objective assessments of therapy has concluded that if people had reasonable friends (not family, for reasons which Kyuuni, or whatever way its spelt, outlined too) it'd do the trick that therapy does. Erich Fromm suggested that there'd be no need for therapy if social relationships improved in the wider society.

    In my own role and training the best thinkers I've read have always said that formal services should only be available to people who dont have informal support or when that informal support has broken down and part of the aim of a formal service will be doing something to restore or reform the available informal supports. It doesnt always work out that way but anyway.

    On the other hand would you say you'd been lucky online? Could you generalise from that experience? I've known vulnerable people online whose heads have been fucked up beyond all recognition by bad contacts online, trolls, evil bastards etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    Apso you were hostile to me so i am hostile back. It is how humans behave.
    Who are you addressing?

    I dont believe anyone was hostile towards you, what basis do you have for thinking or concluding that? Is it something which you find happens a lot? That you believe people are being hostile towards you?

    I'm not sure that all humans behave, mirroring others I mean. I'm sure it happens a lot and unfortunately more people do treat others how they have been treated themselves, rather than how they would like others to treat them instead. What do you think happens when that is the case? I mean, does it work in relationships if everyone goes around mirroring others? What if they've been mistaken about others and behave in a manner which is then mistaken?

    Right. Not saying anything more to you off the clock

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    Do psychologists make sense?

    I thought the basis of treatment was they help clients on any terms they want, resource/knowledge dependent of course.

    So why do most restrict treatments at whim? I don't get it.
    Well let us compare a prosperous, peaceful democratic country without psychologists.

    Yes, Japan has so few psychologists, it's as though they don't exist.

    And what is the result of this? The result is that Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

    In fact psychologists are so scarce in Japan that Japanese who are suffering from Depression are advised to enroll in an English speaking class because the foreigner will listen to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I looked over the posts there and none of them mentioned this. None of them said it was an illness and the implication of hypocrisy which you mention is similarly unfounded.



    Again, no one posted such a thing.



    Well, if your interaction with the other posters in this thread is anything to go by then your assessment of others is fundamentally flawed and unreliable.

    Therefore I would think that your assessment of your therapist and reports about what they have said to you is, at best, unreliable aswell.

    You're clearly easily upset, which leads to emoting and projecting rather than thinking clearly and weighing up what is actually being said, that is not a very adjusted and adaptive way of thinking and given that your thoughts are going to influence how you feel and how you act it could be a big part of what's lead to you being in therapy to begin with.

    If you cant get a grip on that I dont think psychologists are going to be of any help to you, I'm not sure what will but I wish you luck.
    er.. it's clear that this is what was insinuated.

    Also, not all people are logical. And many here do say they engage in friends with benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Who are you addressing?

    I dont believe anyone was hostile towards you, what basis do you have for thinking or concluding that? Is it something which you find happens a lot? That you believe people are being hostile towards you?

    I'm not sure that all humans behave, mirroring others I mean. I'm sure it happens a lot and unfortunately more people do treat others how they have been treated themselves, rather than how they would like others to treat them instead. What do you think happens when that is the case? I mean, does it work in relationships if everyone goes around mirroring others? What if they've been mistaken about others and behave in a manner which is then mistaken?

    Right. Not saying anything more to you off the clock
    Life is reciprocal, is it not?

    Also Lark and others were hostile to me, so I will be hostile in kind. if we're all strangers, so be it.

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    OK, hit somebody and most of the time you will be hit back. Insult somebody and they will insult you back. You claim wisdom yet you don't accept that human action rests on a reciprocal foundation.

    Or you expect all others to treat you as human whatever the case may be? If so, you're not healthy..

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