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    Default Imagination: Delight and Misery

    Imagination is a two edged sword.

    On one hand imagination opens us to delight, but on the other opens us to misery.

    If we were nurtured during childhood, it is likely our imagination will lead us to delight. But if we were abused or controlled as children, it is likely our imagination will continue to replay our misery.

    Talking with animals such as mole, ratty, toad, badger, holmes and watson enables us to lose enough control to enter our imagination.

    For some of us losing that amount of control is a natural, delightful and refreshing experience, but for others losing any control throws us back into the misery of childhood.

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    This is great. I've had similar observations myself.

    Too many treat the imagination like a dangerous creature at the back of the mind, not realising that they only expose themselves, rather than those who revel in imagination.

    Rather than becoming estranged from reality, whatever the hell that is, engagement with imagination can actually help us to visualise a more beneficial reality.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    engagement with imagination can actually help us to visualise a more beneficial reality.
    Imagination takes us out of our critical faculties to a deeper level of our mind.

    However if we continue to meditate, we are taken out of our imagination to an even deeper level of mind that is wordless.

    At such a deep level, everything remains exactly the same only no words.

    It's extraordinary.

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    Imagination helps us to create and be innovative. I think it also helps us escape the world- which I think is important too. So it is meditative in that sense. It also helps us see possibilities of what we can create for ourselves in our lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    Imagination helps us to create and be innovative. I think it also helps us escape the world- which I think is important too. So it is meditative in that sense. It also helps us see possibilities of what we can create for ourselves in our lives.
    If we have a damaged psyche from an abusive or authoritarian upbringing, it is likely our imagination will be damaged as well.

    So the damaged imagination imagines revenge, unlimited power and hatred. But most of all the damaged imagination imagines damaging others to show what has happened to them.

    In other words, the damaged imagination acts out to show the world how they have been damaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    If we have a damaged psyche from an abusive or authoritarian upbringing, it is likely our imagination will be damaged as well.

    So the damaged imagination imagines revenge, unlimited power and hatred. But most of all the damaged imagination imagines damaging others to show what has happened to them.

    In other words, the damaged imagination acts out to show the world how they have been damaged.
    Damage can be overcome...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    Damage can be overcome...
    Yes, and usually we need the help of an empathic grownup.

    And seeking the help of an empathic grownup is the first sign the damage can be overcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    If we have a damaged psyche from an abusive or authoritarian upbringing, it is likely our imagination will be damaged as well.

    So the damaged imagination imagines revenge, unlimited power and hatred. But most of all the damaged imagination imagines damaging others to show what has happened to them.

    In other words, the damaged imagination acts out to show the world how they have been damaged.
    That is a good point. Parents and families really need a manual when they get a baby in their charge. Instruction 1: Everything you do or say to this kid is going to affect who they become as adults, what they think of themselves, how they treat others- and their general life view. Handle with care!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    That is a good point. Parents and families really need a manual when they get a baby in their charge. Instruction 1: Everything you do or say to this kid is going to affect who they become as adults, what they think of themselves, how they treat others- and their general life view. Handle with care!
    Yes, and in particular we can speak about the best form of child rearing, namely, the helping mode of child rearing, where the parent helps their child reach their life goals.

    We can also speak about the history of child rearing: from the sacrificial mode, improved on by the abusive mode, which is improved on by the authoritiarian mode, which is improved on by the helping mode.

    Child rearing has shown historical improvement linked to increasing prosperity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Yes, and in particular we can speak about the best form of child rearing, namely, the helping mode of child rearing, where the parent helps their child reach their life goals.

    We can also speak about the history of child rearing: from the sacrificial mode, improved on by the abusive mode, which is improved on by the authoritiarian mode, which is improved on by the helping mode.

    Child rearing has shown historical improvement linked to increasing prosperity.
    Interesting. My big thing is figuring out who my kids really are- and letting them be who they are. And be the best them they can be and feel loved and supported. I have a child that loves music and is very athletic. So I support this and never make any of it a chore. Ever. He goes to his instruments and he plays them. If he doesn't- then he doesn't. And he makes beautiful music.
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