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    The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

    Basically, people with low levels of skill don't realize what actually makes someone skillful, and thus tend to significantly over-rate their own level of competence.

    Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:
    1. tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
    2. fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
    3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
    4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.
    However, those who have high levels of skill will still figure they have highish levels of skill, but will underestimate themselves overall.



    I don't think everyone who is arrogant is simply putting on a show. I think real self-knowledge can put you in a position of understanding that you really do know what is best in a situation and thus should take authority where others are going to botch things up. It's not always clear when the situations are, but in general, if you have previous experience and proven aptitude that means a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    I don't think everyone who is arrogant is simply putting on a show. I think real self-knowledge can put you in a position of understanding that you really do know what is best in a situation and thus should take authority where others are going to botch things up. It's not always clear when the situations are, but in general, if you have previous experience and proven aptitude that means a great deal.
    I didn't think it was arrogance if the claims were accurate. Arrogance is overrepresenting what you can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I didn't think it was arrogance if the claims were accurate. Arrogance is overrepresenting what you can do.
    Generally arrogance has a connotation of some inflated ego, but not nesessarily inaccuracy:

    adj.
    1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
    2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others:

    I think @fia was quite right to touch upon the fact that it's (generally) a social phenomenon that relates to superiority/inferiority, and it's in that spirit that I don't think arrogance is about accuracy, rather, it's about the display of superiority.

    *Other* people might find your displays of self-importance overbearing, for instance, even if you're quite right that your role in a given situation is an essential one or that you know what you're talking about better than others and thus should be in charge in a situation*.


    *It's also possible you can conduct yourself in ways that feel more or less overbearing to others while still 'taking the reigns', but in any case there is likely to be some amount of strain and tension involved as there will likely be some disagreement about what's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Generally arrogance has a connotation of some inflated ego, but not nesessarily inaccuracy:

    adj.
    1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
    2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others:

    I think @fia was quite right to touch upon the fact that it's (generally) a social phenomenon that relates to superiority/inferiority, and it's in that spirit that I don't think arrogance is about accuracy, rather, it's about the display of superiority.

    *Other* people might find your displays of self-importance overbearing, for instance, even if you're quite right that your role in a given situation is an essential one or that you know what you're talking about better than others and thus should be in charge in a situation*.


    *It's also possible you can conduct yourself in ways that feel more or less overbearing to others while still 'taking the reigns', but in any case there is likely to be some amount of strain and tension involved as there will likely be some disagreement about what's right.
    Interesting. The definitions I am more familiar with focus on the aspect of exaggeration:
    exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner
    although they also mention an overbearing manner, which is more in keeping with your definition. I suppose if someone is accurate but obnoxious about it, I usually call them something else instead of arrogant -- overbearing, bossy, egotistical, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Interesting. The definitions I am more familiar with focus on the aspect of exaggeration:

    although they also mention an overbearing manner, which is more in keeping with your definition. I suppose if someone is accurate but obnoxious about it, I usually call them something else instead of arrogant -- overbearing, bossy, egotistical, etc.
    Hmm the way I see it (further elaborating) is someone might in fact be accurate about say, understanding a situation better, or being better qualified, or whatever, but then use that 'high ground' to justify behavior incongruent with the mismatch in superiority.

    "I'm better at math, so I'm a better qualified to do math" vs "I'm better at math, so I'm a better person than you are" or "I'm better at math, you sure are worthless."
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    Honestly it was a generalization and a hypothesis.

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    I think some people might think I'm arrogant, but the thing is, there are so many things I'm not actually sure about. And I'm actually ok with admitting that much of the time, except for one thing.... if you express doubt, too many people take that to mean you have no clue of what you're talking about, and dismiss you entirely.

    I find that I get better results if I fake certainty. Very few people will take the time to actually think about what I'm saying, and accept or dismiss it based on the contents. People seem to be more susceptible to my tone, and what they think that says about me. So sometimes, I will phrase things in such a way that makes me sound more certain than I actually am.

    Yes, it's fake Fe crap, but I'd rather do that than bitch about how everyone dismisses everything I say without even thinking about it. Which would be the alternative for me.

    It's less about being threatened by the idea of being wrong as it is loathing the idea of being written off entirely. I mean, I've noticed people get away with saying the dumbest shit, but people buy into it just because they said it confidently. That's really what's needed to sell something to a lot of people, just that confident attitude. It's kind of shocking how little attention people pay to the content.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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