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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    . I've noticed a problem that I seem to have is spacing out all the time, but especially the first four hours after I wake up...

    Has anybody every experienced anything like this, and if so, what was your solution?

    I also somewhat expect its a perceiver thing, so I am calling people I know for sure are perceivers.
    I do have this...let me see if I can explain. It's related to or a symptom of so many of the 'things/issues' we currently share. I recently stumbled across an article (and soon thereafter lost it but you may be able to find the same info online) linking Chronic Fatigue syndrome to ADD & ADhD. <-which I believe you have inadvertently indicated you experience. iow I know you have been diagnosed with ADhD. And while I do not believe you have been given an official diagnosis of CFS...I feel I've seen a thread of yours in where you at least express experiencing what would be considered the symptoms of CFS.

    I believe the way it all goes down looks a little something like this...

    ADD/ADhD --> leads to Anxiety. And most likely a co-existing anxiety disorder that often manifests for two reasons. 1. Anxiety actually aides attention. So like, your brain figured-out it could best assist Magic Qwan in navigating the world and doing all that needs to be done if it kept itself attentive by remaining in a perpetually fearful/anxious state. And 2. Anxiety developed out of feelings of inadequately (merely knowing you are not able to do the things others can do as effortlessly, etc.)

    Anxiety --> Chronic Fatigue syndrome. Unusually high levels of the stress hormone cortisol (fight or flight) in an individual's system over time will eventually shut that person's body down and is what medical professionals believe is one of the main contributing factors in the development/onset of CFS.

    CFS --> major brain fog and spacing out (so not helpful to someone with ADD/ADhD)...which will be made a hundred times worse if you have depression on top of that. And it's worse in the morning until some other hormone kicks-in I believe but I don't know for certain if that's accurate or what hormone it is if I'm right in that regard.

    Now if I've actually gotten my shit together enough to drive somewhere and am around people, etc. then I'm not inclined to space out at the levels you report which is why I mention depression. I definitely believe you are suffering from depression...and because I also believe you are an e7...I think depression has a way of 'escaping' you just like it 'escapes' so many other e7s...making it nearly impossible really to understand the extent of it...the severity of its impact, etc. And subsequently difficult to address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I do have this...let me see if I can explain. It's related to or a symptom of so many of the 'things/issues' we currently share. I recently stumbled across an article (and soon thereafter lost it but you may be able to find the same info online) linking Chronic Fatigue syndrome to ADD & ADhD. <-which I believe you have inadvertently indicated you experience. iow I know you have been diagnosed with ADhD. And while I do not believe you have been given an official diagnosis of CFS...I feel I've seen a thread of yours in where you at least express experiencing what would be considered the symptoms of CFS.

    I believe the way it all goes down looks a little something like this...

    ADD/ADhD --> leads to Anxiety. And most likely a co-existing anxiety disorder that often manifests for two reasons. 1. Anxiety actually aides attention. So like, your brain figured-out it could best assist Magic Qwan in navigating the world and doing all that needs to be done if it kept itself attentive by remaining in a perpetually fearful/anxious state. And 2. Anxiety developed out of feelings of inadequately (merely knowing you are not able to do the things others can do as effortlessly, etc.)

    Anxiety --> Chronic Fatigue syndrome. Unusually high levels of the stress hormone cortisol (fight or flight) in an individual's system over time will eventually shut that person's body down and is what medical professionals believe is one of the main contributing factors in the development/onset of CFS.

    CFS --> major brain fog and spacing out (so not helpful to someone with ADD/ADhD)...which will be made a hundred times worse if you have depression on top of that. And it's worse in the morning until some other hormone kicks-in I believe but I don't know for certain if that's accurate or what hormone it is if I'm right in that regard.

    Now if I've actually gotten my shit together enough to drive somewhere and am around people, etc. then I'm not inclined to space out at the levels you report which is why I mention depression. I definitely believe you are suffering from depression...and because I also believe you are an e7...I think depression has a way of 'escaping' you just like it 'escapes' so many other e7s...making it nearly impossible really to understand the extent of it...the severity of its impact, etc. And subsequently difficult to address.
    What do you mean about depression escaping e7s? That bit at the end really piqued my interest. Maybe PM me if nobody else cares, but there are lots of e7s on this thread I thought might benefit too.
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    Yeah, I had a meeting with an investment advisor today to talk about my financial future. After the first 45 minutes of talking about mutual funds, I was pretty spaced out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    What do you mean about depression escaping e7s? That bit at the end really piqued my interest. Maybe PM me if nobody else cares, but there are lots of e7s on this thread I thought might benefit too.
    I know it does me. I can barely feel when I'm stressed even. When I went to the dr years ago and found out I had anxiety. I didn't even realize I had anxiety or felt anxious. I thought i ws diabetic or something but he asked me a ton of questions...and finally was like yeah most people would have anxiety when dealing with that stuff. Even more years ago when my father died I went to the dr because my tongue was swollen an I couldn't drink water. Was the weirdest thing ever and he said that I had gotten oral thrush. He said he's never seen an adult get that that didn't have an immune disorder. After lots if tests he said that it was my stress that caused it. I didn't know I was stressed.

    I have had a lot happen these last few years involving my ex husband that my bf thinks has made me depressed. But I can't tell. It would make sense that anyone would be. But I don't feel it. I mean I feel upset but I can't dwell on negative feelings too long. It just takes too much energy.

    So I think our bodies will often tell us before we realize it. It's nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    I know it does me. I can barely feel when I'm stressed even. When I went to the dr years ago and found out I had anxiety. I didn't even realize I had anxiety or felt anxious. I thought i ws diabetic or something but he asked me a ton of questions...and finally was like yeah most people would have anxiety when dealing with that stuff. Even more years ago when my father died I went to the dr because my tongue was swollen an I couldn't drink water. Was the weirdest thing ever and he said that I had gotten oral thrush. He said he's never seen an adult get that that didn't have an immune disorder. After lots if tests he said that it was my stress that caused it. I didn't know I was stressed.

    I have had a lot happen these last few years involving my ex husband that my bf thinks has made me depressed. But I can't tell. It would make sense that anyone would be. But I don't feel it. I mean I feel upset but I can't dwell on negative feelings too long. It just takes too much energy.

    So I think our bodies will often tell us before we realize it. It's nuts.
    I was just talking about this today! I agree with you. When something is affecting us psychologically, it can manifest itself as physical illness. I think it's evolution's way of forcing us to take care of ourselves emotionally and socially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honor View Post
    I was just talking about this today! I agree with you. When something is affecting us psychologically, it can manifest itself as physical illness. I think it's evolution's way of forcing us to take care of ourselves emotionally and socially.
    yeah...i do wish however that i could have a normal healthy response to such things so i'd know to deal with it before it take a toll on my physical health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    yeah...i do wish however that i could have a normal healthy response to such things so i'd know to deal with it before it take a toll on my physical health.
    mmm, i see what you're saying, and i don't know the specifics of your circumstances, but i've seen it occur in many, many people and it's not always a case of people not having a normal, healthy response or not knowing how to deal with it. first of all, becoming worn down is the normal, healthy response - you have to know you've gone too far with how much stress you've put on yourself before you know what your limits are. for example, in college, one of my guy friends was one of those med school gunners. he kept up this intensity - a phi beta kappa double science major - for four years. right before graduation, he became debilitated with severe, acute, stress-induced pancreatitis and had to be hospitalized.

    another one of my college friends - i knew this one better - was another phi beta kappa science major. he got a full scholarship to ohio state med school. that bright - absolutely overflowing with potential. his dad was also bernie madoff's accountant, and he shot and killed himself right before the trial. if you had met either of these guys on the street, you would never in a million years say that either of them was not "normal" or "healthy." i lived with both in the same dorm for years. there was nothing wrong with either of them.

    sometimes, people are under so much pressure while they attempt to accomplish something they desperately want to accomplish that they become ill - and then, they remember to put limits on how hard they push themselves. sometimes people don't have the resources in their environment to eliminate whatever is creating their distress - or at the very least, they perceive that to be the case. i'm not relieving people of responsibility for their mental health because i have seen the opposite where people simply refuse to grow up and take responsibility for their thoughts and their feelings. yes, that does happen, and i don't deny it. but to say that that is always the case is inaccurate at best and douchey at worst IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    I know it does me. I can barely feel when I'm stressed even. When I went to the dr years ago and found out I had anxiety. I didn't even realize I had anxiety or felt anxious. I thought i ws diabetic or something but he asked me a ton of questions...and finally was like yeah most people would have anxiety when dealing with that stuff. Even more years ago when my father died I went to the dr because my tongue was swollen an I couldn't drink water. Was the weirdest thing ever and he said that I had gotten oral thrush. He said he's never seen an adult get that that didn't have an immune disorder. After lots if tests he said that it was my stress that caused it. I didn't know I was stressed.

    I have had a lot happen these last few years involving my ex husband that my bf thinks has made me depressed. But I can't tell. It would make sense that anyone would be. But I don't feel it. I mean I feel upset but I can't dwell on negative feelings too long. It just takes too much energy.

    So I think our bodies will often tell us before we realize it. It's nuts.
    Interesting... I have Geographic Tongue Syndrome and Burning Tongue Syndrome that makes it to where I can barely eat if I'm dealing with some hardship.
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    I think that the condition of the world makes me sick, but I can't do anything about it, so I avoid serious things as much as I can. Serious, unhappy things have such a debilitating effect on me, that I just think it's healthier to avoid them and distract myself with happier, playful, cheery things. I might go and have a good meal or take a long bath. My tongue issues remind me of the pain though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honor View Post
    mmm, i see what you're saying, and i don't know the specifics of your circumstances, but i've seen it occur in many, many people and it's not always a case of people not having a normal, healthy response or not knowing how to deal with it. first of all, becoming worn down is the normal, healthy response - you have to know you've gone too far with how much stress you've put on yourself before you know what your limits are. for example, in college, one of my guy friends was one of those med school gunners. he kept up this intensity - a phi beta kappa double science major - for four years. right before graduation, he became debilitated with severe, acute, stress-induced pancreatitis and had to be hospitalized.

    another one of my college friends - i knew this one better - was another phi beta kappa science major. he got a full scholarship to ohio state med school. that bright - absolutely overflowing with potential. his dad was also bernie madoff's accountant, and he shot and killed himself right before the trial. if you had met either of these guys on the street, you would never in a million years say that either of them was not "normal" or "healthy." i lived with both in the same dorm for years. there was nothing wrong with either of them.

    sometimes, people are under so much pressure while they attempt to accomplish something they desperately want to accomplish that they become ill - and then, they remember to put limits on how hard they push themselves. sometimes people don't have the resources in their environment to eliminate whatever is creating their distress - or at the very least, they perceive that to be the case. i'm not relieving people of responsibility for their mental health because i have seen the opposite where people simply refuse to grow up and take responsibility for their thoughts and their feelings. yes, that does happen, and i don't deny it. but to say that that is always the case is inaccurate at best and douchey at worst IMO.
    aw wow..see yeah i don't mean to say that it's unhealthy necessarily...but how sad that your friends didn't realize how much stress they were under before all of that happened. like the ability to function through stressful situations has served me quite well but i just wish there was a way to know when it was time to destress when you're not really feeling it.
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