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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    What I mean is, can someone who is not naturally empathetic learn how to become empathetic?

    I kind of think they can learn but only if they see their own deficit and want to learn without seeking any other gains.

    What do you think?
    Forget learning it, let's just hug it out and dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFAdlU2ETjU
    Skip to 7:20 if you want, I thought the whole thing was fascinating. Possibly a cure for psychopathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Yes, it is sad. But is seems to me you have trouble with sympathy rather than empathy.

    And to feel more comfortable with your sympathy, you may need to meet someone who is able to sympathise with you first.

    Or indeed you might like to meet a whole group who can sympathise with you, like an encounter group.
    Hmmm. I guess I'm still not grasping the difference between empathy and sympathy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Hmmm. I guess I'm still not grasping the difference between empathy and sympathy...
    Ever since I have been here almost everyone has not grasped the distinction between empathy and sympathy.

    This is understandable as common usage confuses the two.

    And I wouldn't bother to try to correct this confusion if empathy wasn't so uniquely helpful.

    But in a way, it is all of a piece, as astrology, mbti and sympathy come naturally and intuitively, while science, mathematics and empathy don't come naturally and are counter-intuitive.

    This means that astrology, mbti and sympathy are accessible to the unschooled while science, mathematics and empathy are not accessible to the unschooled.

    But who among us is prepared to admit we are unschooled, rather we prefer to sympathise with one another over astrology and mbti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Hmmm. I guess I'm still not grasping the difference between empathy and sympathy...
    Keep in mind that Mole will give definitions of sympathy and empathy precisely opposite as defined in the dictionary or used by anybody in conversation anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky13 View Post
    Forget learning it, let's just hug it out and dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFAdlU2ETjU
    Skip to 7:20 if you want, I thought the whole thing was fascinating. Possibly a cure for psychopathy.

    That was interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Keep in mind that Mole will give definitions of sympathy and empathy precisely opposite as defined in the dictionary or used by anybody in conversation anywhere.
    This is untrue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    This is untrue.
    This is untrue.

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    A recent study asked psychopaths to empathize, and they were able to. However, the behavior was not a habit. Perhaps with a bit of training, it can be made automatic.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1...tch-on-empathy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingularity View Post
    A recent study asked psychopaths to empathize, and they were able to. However, the behavior was not a habit. Perhaps with a bit of training, it can be made automatic.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1...tch-on-empathy
    Empathy, as distinct from sympathy, means to know what another is feeling without feeling it oneself.

    So empathy by torturers for their victims is a necessary tool of trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Empathy, as distinct from sympathy, means to know what another is feeling without feeling it oneself.

    So empathy by torturers for their victims is a necessary tool of trade.
    That's not how I think of empathy. To me empathy is like theory of mind, where you put yourself in the shoes of the other person and experience what they are experiencing. Sympathy is something different, like empathizing with someone's plight and feeling bad for them.

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