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    Quote Originally Posted by CapLawyer View Post
    Instead of attacking the intellectual that pokes holes in your beliefs, you idiots, attack these shits. Get rid of them. Then look at yourself, and clear your shit up.
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    Easier said than done when these "shits" are well-respected professionals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    None of the above, I have a conscience. Though I bet that if I did not, I'd be 10 times as good at my job and all other intellectual tasks I pursue. However, for better or for worse, I prefer not to be a moral degenerate.
    Even more than a conscience, for the kind of success you describe, one needs self-discipline. Yet most descriptions of psychopaths I see include irresponsibility, impulsive behavior, and even narcissism, counterproductive only in that it leads to an unrealistic assessment of one's abilities. To me, this is their achilles heel, and the main reason I would not choose this path.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    et most descriptions of psychopaths I see include irresponsibility, impulsive behavior, and even narcissism, counterproductive only in that it leads to an unrealistic assessment of one's abilities. To me, this is their achilles heel, and the main reason I would not choose this path.
    The most irresponsible of them end up behind bars and the less so at the helm of corporations or in the highest offices of government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
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    Easier said than done when these "shits" are well-respected professionals.
    Well-respected? Expose them. Make up some shit if you have to, though that's often not necessary. This thread aside, I writhe around in pain as I watch shit like these get actively defended by the very people that want to be rid of them, or when all the BS imposed on every by these people get placed on someone else, because they aren't "nice" (I've never seen more idiots become suckers for the charm and blah blah blah than these people that like ridding the world of shit and injustice). Sometimes I think the entire system is rigged, and if the entire thing was brought down, these people would do everything to bring it all back.

    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    The most irresponsible of them end up behind bars and the less so at the helm of corporations or in the highest offices of government.
    This is a J vs. P difference. The ones behind bars tend to be the ESTPs (need instant gratification, anti-authority, etc), and the ones "high up" tend to be ESTJs (doesn't need instant gratification, constantly BS'ing to get more power).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapLawyer View Post
    This is a J vs. P difference. The ones behind bars tend to be the ESTPs (need instant gratification, anti-authority, etc), and the ones "high up" tend to be ESTJs (doesn't need instant gratification, constantly BS'ing to get more power).
    First, MBTI is supposed to describe healthy individuals. To the extent that someone has a clinical diagnosis like psychopathy, they fall outside these limits.

    Second, from what I have read, that need for gratification in the moment (impulsivity) is part of the psychopathic profile. If you are good at resisting that, does it make you simply a higher-functioning psychopath, or disqualify you from that diagnosis entirely? This points more to the idea of a continuum, as with other "disorders". If someone is close enough to one end, they meet the threshold for diagnosis. If not, they have some of the traits, but not in sufficient measure to be considered impaired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    If you are good at resisting that, does it make you simply a higher-functioning psychopath, or disqualify you from that diagnosis entirely?
    It makes you a high-functioning psychopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Second, from what I have read, that need for gratification in the moment (impulsivity) is part of the psychopathic profile. If you are good at resisting that, does it make you simply a higher-functioning psychopath, or disqualify you from that diagnosis entirely?
    I would like to call it, the reward is greater at the end. You can control that impulsivity for something greater down the road.

    Think about the difference between a bank heist and a bank owner.

    The person doing the bank heist is more than likely bad at controlling his impulse for money.

    The bank owner that develops a bank, and gets millions of dollars later on, gets the government to bail him out, and later says how stupid people were to give him free money is (sadly) really good at controlling his impulses. You later find out this person is a psychopath good at controlling himself.

    What I'm describing is probably the difference between a white collar criminal and a "regular" criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    First, MBTI is supposed to describe healthy individuals. To the extent that someone has a clinical diagnosis like psychopathy, they fall outside these limits.

    Second, from what I have read, that need for gratification in the moment (impulsivity) is part of the psychopathic profile. If you are good at resisting that, does it make you simply a higher-functioning psychopath, or disqualify you from that diagnosis entirely? This points more to the idea of a continuum, as with other "disorders". If someone is close enough to one end, they meet the threshold for diagnosis. If not, they have some of the traits, but not in sufficient measure to be considered impaired.
    Certainly MBTI is to describe healthy individuals, but if you ever see psychopaths and are good at typing, then you'll notice the distinction. There's the organizer and there's the impulsive. I think the psychopathic profile is a bastardization and a blending of these two personality types (ESTJ and ESTP) and more insight could be gained from separating them. Not all psychopaths are impulsive, those are mainly the perceiving thrill-seekers, and not all psychopaths are organized and methodical, those are more the judgers. To say the absence of one of these things makes someone a high function psychopath brings to life my greatest fear of the essence of what these shits are being eroded away due to the noise that is the "formal" definition of psychopathy. ESTJ psychopaths end up in management (ESTPs do as well, certainly, but not as much) and you can tell that's what they are, and ESTPs end up in get rich quick schemes, sales, and other BS, to generalize. An ESTJ psychopath will instantly notice an INTP is "on to them" and will quickly try to get rid of them, whereas an ESTP would try to charm, and wouldn't be immediately concerned. When their BS doesn't work, then they'd get angry, as an ESTP would, and they would start down that path they have no problem taking because of how F'd up they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    The negative side of psychopathy is that they don't experience the joys of deep interpersonal relationships with other people, that's about all I can think of.
    So I am basically a psychopath but without any of the benefits.
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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    None of the above, I have a conscience. Though I bet that if I did not, I'd be 10 times as good at my job and all other intellectual tasks I pursue. However, for better or for worse, I prefer not to be a moral degenerate.
    They say that fascism is more efficient than democracy, but this is but special pleading.

    And I believe that saying, you would be ten times better at your job if you didn't have a conscience, is also special pleading.

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