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    Quote Originally Posted by sulfit View Post
    "It doesn't seem to be an instinctual variant issue as far as I can tell" - That's not the case. These kind of sharp emotions can be due to both instinct variants and enneagram emotional reactive triad which is 4, 6, and 8.

    I've dug up this article from 16types. Take a look what it's saying, that sx/sp and sx/so are prone to having "sharp" emotions:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...inct-scrapheap

    sx/sp: Intense, often a stab-in-the-chest sensation, leaving me in tears without knowing why. Fantastical but much more concentrated in a few inner images. Can be abstract, animating dead objects into their field of contemplation. Embodiment of another human, thing, or idea is common in their writings.

    sx/soc: My impression of their writing is "fire-and-ice", as if one is to experience the extremes of heat and coldness at the same time. Often abstract, spilling one inner vision after another like a dream-sequence. Seems particularly in touch with the core meaning of life and death.
    Woah cool.

    I definitely would agree that 4's 6's and 8's have a little bit of a bite to them. I myself have read some old emails I sent to friends and laughed hysterically because I didn't realize how absurd I can be.

    I'll have to think about the "fire and ice" thing verse the stab in the chest thing. I used to test as Sx/Sp quite frequently but I still doubt my Sp is high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sulfit View Post
    "It doesn't seem to be an instinctual variant issue as far as I can tell" - That's not the case. These kind of sharp emotions can be due to both instinct variants and enneagram emotional reactive triad which is 4, 6, and 8.

    I've dug up this article from 16types. Take a look what it's saying, that sx/sp and sx/so are prone to having "sharp" emotions:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...inct-scrapheap

    sx/sp: Intense, often a stab-in-the-chest sensation, leaving me in tears without knowing why. Fantastical but much more concentrated in a few inner images. Can be abstract, animating dead objects into their field of contemplation. Embodiment of another human, thing, or idea is common in their writings.

    sx/soc: My impression of their writing is "fire-and-ice", as if one is to experience the extremes of heat and coldness at the same time. Often abstract, spilling one inner vision after another like a dream-sequence. Seems particularly in touch with the core meaning of life and death.
    I made a thread about my energy you might be interested in. After reading some of the descriptions for Sx/So I figured I'd map out my energy in MS paint.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...45#post2105945

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    So I read on socionics.com that irrationals tend to have "softer" emotions, while rationals tend to have "sharper" emotions.

    Picking out some intense music, I choose one of my LII 5w4 (MBTI INTP) brother's favorite songs, and compared it to my own SLE 8w7 (MBTI I/ESTP) favorite song. The difference is that of being stabbed with a hot knife (rational) versus entering a room that is sweltering. The rational intensity is more point focussed, while the Irrational intensity is more spread out. Let me know if you can hear what I hear.

    LII 5w4 (Rational type)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG0q-MhzQ7I

    SLE 8w7 (Irrational Type)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKVUDr1goPc

    Essentially, the former song seems to only affect 1 point in my body, while the second song feels seems to affect my entire body.

    Thoughts?
    That first one... I REALLY do not like (that is putting it nicely.) As far as direction goes, it goes in one direction. It is... intense... just not the type of intense I like.

    The second one (including the previous video of yours,) yes, I would consider it softer, it doesn't feel like it is going in one, and only one, direction. I think it is because it feels like there is some notes that move around. The notes are more easily distinguishable and it doesn't pack as much heat as the first one because of it.

    The first just pushed buttons, the second one didn't.

    My form of intense would be more like this, however.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KCJhhyM3jM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    That first one... I REALLY do not like (that is putting it nicely.) As far as direction goes, it goes in one direction. It is... intense... just not the type of intense I like.

    The second one (including the previous video of yours,) yes, I would consider it softer, it doesn't feel like it is going in one, and only one, direction. I think it is because it feels like there is some notes that move around. The notes are more easily distinguishable and it doesn't pack as much heat as the first one because of it.

    The first just pushed buttons, the second one didn't.

    My form of intense would be more like this, however.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KCJhhyM3jM
    I found the first song quite terrifying. it actually took me some effort to open myself to listen to it. My brother is a LII 5w4, and his whole inner world is one dark apocalyptic setting. Its incredible. If he made a zombie apocalypse movie, that is the music that would play. But its interesting because, I also found the song quite disturbing as well. But when you listen to it and flip through szadslaw beksinski's art, it somehow brings out just how beautiful his art actually is despite how the photos look on the surface. These photos are pretty intense but illustrate somewhat hidden principles.

    Try listening to the song and looking at these pictures. The key is to understand that these are actually happy pictures, you just have to spend some time searching for the happiness. I've written my interpretations of them below each image, they're very INTP Sx:


    ^^ Devotion to loved ones amidst a dangerous world.



    ^^ A parent's intense love and focus for their child as if nothing else in the world matters. (This person is so focussed on her child she doesn't care that there is someone behind her getting eaten by crows)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sulfit View Post
    "It doesn't seem to be an instinctual variant issue as far as I can tell" - That's not the case. These kind of sharp emotions can be due to both instinct variants and enneagram emotional reactive triad which is 4, 6, and 8.

    I've dug up this article from 16types. Take a look what it's saying, that sx/sp and sx/so are prone to having "sharp" emotions:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...inct-scrapheap

    sx/sp: Intense, often a stab-in-the-chest sensation, leaving me in tears without knowing why. Fantastical but much more concentrated in a few inner images. Can be abstract, animating dead objects into their field of contemplation. Embodiment of another human, thing, or idea is common in their writings.

    sx/soc: My impression of their writing is "fire-and-ice", as if one is to experience the extremes of heat and coldness at the same time. Often abstract, spilling one inner vision after another like a dream-sequence. Seems particularly in touch with the core meaning of life and death.
    ohhh interesting. i do like music with raw intense emotion but maybe i'm misunderstanding what is meant by that. will listen to the first song in op. listening to 2nd now and love it to death.

    edit: that first song was too boring to finish.
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    if anyone doesn't know the difference between Socionics rational and irrational types it's described here: http://www.socionics.us/theory/rat_irr.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by sulfit View Post
    if anyone doesn't know the difference between Socionics rational and irrational types it's described here: http://www.socionics.us/theory/rat_irr.shtml
    Oh, the irony of linking to Rick DeLong's old website. After many years, he finally gave Socionics the axe.
    His blog is now: The [Ex-] Socionist. http://socionist.blogspot.com/

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    @DJ Arendee
    I know I don't really qualify for the music selections and that's good cause all I had was a blank stare.
    The reason I think this is a misdirected test is because you didn't factor in words. When someone finds a song they can "relate" to it will be based on their history. The way they represent it is MBTI and Enneagram. Each group is going to prefer a genre but pull from others. So it depends on words. If a song describes one particular EMOTION but is brief, then the chances of an "irrational" person liking it is higher. If it is in depth and describes a particular IDEA the chances of "rational" personal liking it is higher. The beat depends on the mood and personal preference and so does the vocals.
    Personally I've observed rational people like slower/ soft songs and irrational like heavier/ louder.

    I'll give three examples. One for Irrational, one for Rational, and where they meet in the middle. All from the same artist. Instead of trying to "feel" or focusing on the statement and reason for clicking on the link. Just listen.

    Irrational

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTWOAJJ9s1g

    Rational

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kY9zvLvzhc

    For Both

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StFfXP4eAgU

    Let me know how it works
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnemyApprentice View Post
    @DJ Arendee
    I know I don't really qualify for the music selections and that's good cause all I had was a blank stare.
    The reason I think this is a misdirected test is because you didn't factor in words. When someone finds a song they can "relate" to it will be based on their history. The way they represent it is MBTI and Enneagram. Each group is going to prefer a genre but pull from others. So it depends on words. If a song describes one particular EMOTION but is brief, then the chances of an "irrational" person liking it is higher. If it is in depth and describes a particular IDEA the chances of "rational" personal liking it is higher. The beat depends on the mood and personal preference and so does the vocals.
    Personally I've observed rational people like slower/ soft songs and irrational like heavier/ louder.

    I'll give three examples. One for Irrational, one for Rational, and where they meet in the middle. All from the same artist. Instead of trying to "feel" or focusing on the statement and reason for clicking on the link. Just listen.

    Irrational

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTWOAJJ9s1g

    Rational

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kY9zvLvzhc

    For Both

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StFfXP4eAgU

    Let me know how it works
    Hmm, the biggest differences I heard in those songs were that your irrational post was more full in sound and the rational post had more pauses and rests in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Hmm, the biggest differences I heard in those songs were that your irrational post was more full in sound and the rational post had more pauses and rests in between.
    That's true too. I never thought of it that way.
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