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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I had thought the reverse - that psychopaths schemed very carefully to get what they want, manipulating the world around them with great patience and foresight. But perhaps that is just a stereotype.
    I dont know about that, people are not alert to them most of the time and I dont think its not unreasonable that they arent, especially if the same individuals have been clever enough to take up particular positions in order to carry out their crimes, in fiction there's Dexter, he's a forensic scene of crime officer, in point of fact some psycho like or at least conscienceless individuals became priests or exploited the positions of priests in their communities in order to carry out predatory acts.

    I would question whether or not its realistic for the average individual to be totally vigilant and on the alert all the time to these kinds of people, the psychology is totally different, its a little bit like saying why cant wilder beast be more like lions, that is with none of the conventional disrespect of wilderbeast either, they are living their lives and I'm sure they are good lives but they arent lions and cant be expected to live accordingly or as a lion.

    I've known a lot of victims of predators and my reactions to them are that they could be any of us, they arent morons, the people they dealt with are not evil genius' either, although they were something different to what the survivors thought they were and they behaved in reprehensible ways that no one could really be expected to be on the guard against in the normal run of things.

    Consider the guy who was responsible for the bind, torture and kill serial killings too, that guy wasnt a criminal mastermind, he was just someone no one would suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    You may be interested in checking out this blog post I found that contemplates the common thread between extreme altruists and psychopaths.
    Hmm, that's interesting, very interesting.

    I've read about the connections and traits before and I think that's important. I'm unsure that its possible that sociopaths just need to be "redirected" and they can be altruists.

    The context in which I'd read about it before was Erich Fromm's highlighting of the "caring sadist" idea in Fear of/Escape From Freedom, that while some people acting in a caring capacity may appear to be commendably altruistic they are in actually highly controlling individuals who enjoy the power they have over whoever is in their care. Fromm also used to make the controversal remark that Hitler was just an ordinary guy, that Hitler wasnt charismatic etc. etc. etc. but that he was just an ordinary guy with extraordinary power.

    Edit: NB There's also the whole thing of being a hero by being "distinguished in battle", I watched an interesting documentary once which discussed a British officer who was a distinguished heroic figure, highly decorated, whom they suggested could only have been able to kill as many people as he could, saving his own men in the process, if he'd had at least some psychopathic traits. Can you believe that? It seems plausible to me in some respects, it seems like what the sociopath article may have been about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    I'm not in pain marm, i feel truely blessed. I do get cross that the world has not yet caught up but maybe that's what you meant.

    Regarding Beth I wasn't making a judgement call either way but i think you were and that was what i was unsure about. You seemed to have decided bluntly that this was and is a sick individual who can't be helped. I tend to view these things differently and i do not believe it's projecting.

    I do think having children with special needs has taught me patience and to observe more before judging (in some situations anyway) but i don't think thats the same as projecting here.
    Um, I have cyclothymia, my sister is schizoaffective and I have a niece with Asperger's syndrome. You guys don't own the holier than thou market on non-judgement of people with disorders.

    I'm actually done with this thread, it has disintegrated into childishness (not you, all of the mocking posts about eyes) and just as you can see varying disorders in a person's eyes, you can also see cruelty and sociopathy.

    I have formed my opinion and refuse to rescind it. Sociopaths are manipulative and by the age of six a child's personality is so formed, it is not as though she was a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.

    I don't think this woman should be taken out and shot or anything, but I think putting her in pediatrics is the height of stupidity, but I see this thing all the time in society and then everybody later on is like "omg I wonder what happened, why did she snap, or how was she getting away with this all along."

    I'll continue to err on the side of caution when it comes to sociopaths and psychopaths, thanks.

    They are not even in the same category as Autism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    I was reminded of some of the following comments on Zooey Deschanel's eyes (also very blue) also being denounced as creepy and scary.
    Ted Bundy's eyes weren't blue. Neither are Charles Manson's.

    You know, you guys, Austism isn't in the same category as psychopathy or ASPD.

    All people with "disorders" aren't the same, and some of them most definitely should be judged.

    I'm not sure what this thread is about anymore, but I stand firm on my skepticism that an UNVALIDATED TREATMENT THAT PSYCHIATRISTS DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE turned a child sociopath into someone who is well-suited to being a pediatric nurse.

    Get some sense, people, Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Um, I have cyclothymia, my sister is schizoaffective and I have a niece with Asperger's syndrome. You guys don't own the holier than thou market on non-judgement of people with disorders.
    Thanks for sharing that with us, it certainly explains a lot about you.

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    I'm actually done with this thread,
    I doubt it, but good call anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    it has disintegrated into childishness
    Did you forget what forum you were on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    (not you, all of the mocking posts about eyes) and just as you can see varying disorders in a person's eyes, you can also see cruelty and sociopathy.s

    We type animals, inanimate objects and cartoon characters. We even get "vibes" about various "types" that other people have here. Why should we fall short of trying to "type" psychological disorders just by looking in people's eyes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    I have formed my opinion and refuse to rescind it.
    Looks like you've grasped the rules of forum-discourse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Sociopaths are manipulative and by the age of six a child's personality is so formed,
    Certain parts of a personality are formed that early, but others are still being developed. Needless to say, people change a lot between the age of six and thirty, the age by when our personality becomes unlikely to undergo drastic alterations. I'd say that for the most part, the personality of six-year old children remains very much fluid and pliable to external influences. Sociopaths are manipulative, but even if sociopathy is inborn, six year olds will have a long way to go before they gain appreciable proficiency in the art of exploiting and deceiving others.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    I don't think this woman should be taken out and shot or anything, but I think putting her in pediatrics is the height of stupidity, but I see this thing all the time in society and then everybody later on is like "omg I wonder what happened, why did she snap, or how was she getting away with this all along."
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    I'll continue to err on the side of caution when it comes to sociopaths and psychopaths, thanks.
    According to Martha Stout's sociopath Next Door, 1 of 25 has been diagnosed with the anti-social personality disorder. Chances are, at least 10-20 more percent of possible suspects have not been diagnosed with it. It could be that sociopaths are as common as 1 in 20 or 1 in 15. Needless to say, we have at least one in our community and probably had many more in the past.

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    They are not even in the same category as Autism.
    How astute, glad you realize that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Um, I have cyclothymia, my sister is schizoaffective and I have a niece with Asperger's syndrome. You guys don't own the holier than thou market on non-judgement of people with disorders.

    I'm actually done with this thread, it has disintegrated into childishness (not you, all of the mocking posts about eyes) and just as you can see varying disorders in a person's eyes, you can also see cruelty and sociopathy.

    I have formed my opinion and refuse to rescind it. Sociopaths are manipulative and by the age of six a child's personality is so formed, it is not as though she was a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.

    I don't think this woman should be taken out and shot or anything, but I think putting her in pediatrics is the height of stupidity, but I see this thing all the time in society and then everybody later on is like "omg I wonder what happened, why did she snap, or how was she getting away with this all along."

    I'll continue to err on the side of caution when it comes to sociopaths and psychopaths, thanks.

    They are not even in the same category as Autism.

    No marm of course not, but i was not claiming to know. You are claiming to know. Here is the difference.

    I don't like to be bundled in as 'you guys', it may have escaped your attention but i have been absent for a while and am certainly not on any side or team.

    I do know a psychopath and i did engage with you regarding eyes as you said you were interested. I'm still interested in talking about it in a mature way, don't stomp off on my account.


    Edit: I'm really confused by why you think people are comparing autism to sociopathy/psychopathy.
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    is she a confirmed psychopath or is it all heresay?
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    I don't like to be bundled in as 'you guys', it may have escaped your attention but i have been absent for a while and am certainly not on any side or team.
    You wanna start the No-Team Team with me? We'll regularly not meet, have no agenda and talk about nothing in particular and anything in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    No marm of course not, but i was not claiming to know. You are claiming to know. Here is the difference.

    I don't like to be bundled in as 'you guys', it may have escaped your attention but i have been absent for a while and am certainly not on any side or team.

    I do know a psychopath and i did engage with you regarding eyes as you said you were interested. I'm still interested in talking about it in a mature way, don't stomp off on my account.
    Her eyes are more like Ted Bundy's than they are Katy Perry's despite their large blueness. I see a bunch of infantile arguments based sheerly upon emotions about Austistic children in this thread, being applied to a child who coldly and articulately described murdering her adoptive family, as well as beating her brother half to death and molesting him.

    I honestly don't think this thread is about Beth anymore.

    And I am including you in "you guys" because you're saying how you're tolerant of people with disorders because of having an Autistic child but to compare your Autistic child or my non-violent schizoaffective sister to a psychopath is more than a little intellectually dishonest.

    Or maybe it's not. Maybe you really believe anyone can be "saved" but it's been shown time and time again that certain people are not completely able to be rehabilitated. Those people are usually sociopaths and/or psychopaths.

    Which is why I said early on the death sentence should exist solely for them, because once they start murdering or harming others they typically don't stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    You wanna start the No-Team Team with me? We'll regularly not meet, have no agenda and talk about nothing in particular and anything in general.
    I have no desire to not do not that.
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