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    I seriously doubt about inherited causes for psychological differences between men and women.

    I believe that the degree of difference between the average of all men and the average of all women is smaller than the average degree of difference between any two individuals. Or on other words, your gender makes up a negligibly small part of your personality.

    And I think the areas where men and women manifest the widest differences are in moments of social awareness when they conform, and thus these widest differences are also the most superficial and ephemeral.

    Within those terms, I find it hard to believe that one sex is more rational than the other.
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    If we are referring to rationality in terms of reasoning ability or ability to use reason and accept things generated by reason, then no, women are not any less rational than men on average. However, if we are referring to whether or not women tend to use emotion-based reasoning more than logical reasoning, then by Western society's standards, women use more emotional reasoning on average compared to me (or they should anyway for reasons commonly cited). Even though using emotions over logic and facts is not the same thing as being irrational, I brought up that point because people often confuse the two.
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    I think my Marm-reaction thread is artistically superior to this one. And more relevant... to things.

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    I didn't even know it existed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I suppose it all boils down to what any given individual sees as rational, then.
    For me, a significant aspect of rationality is the degree to which one's actions support one's goals. A classic example is getting upset at your boss because you think he is being unfair. He may really be unfair, and your anger may thus be justified, but expressing your anger emotionally will not get you closer to a satisfactory resolution, however good it might make you feel in the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I seriously doubt about inherited causes for psychological differences between men and women.

    I believe that the degree of difference between the average of all men and the average of all women is smaller than the average degree of difference between any two individuals. Or on other words, your gender makes up a negligibly small part of your personality.

    And I think the areas where men and women manifest the widest differences are in moments of social awareness when they conform, and thus these widest differences are also the most superficial and ephemeral.
    I agree, though I am no expert in biology and cannot provide a thorough basis for discounting the evolutionary aspect. I especially agree with the highlighted, and have found this to be the case both for myself, and for most people I come to know well. The well-known differences that contribute to the stereotypes are then the product of social and cultural influences with which we are all brought up. Women and men may start out with the same inherent ability for both rational thought and emotional understanding, but the two groups are raised to value and develop one over the other. Going along with this is development of the inclination to use one over the other.

    Bottom line: women have the same inherent ability for rational thought as men, but on average have developed it less and are less inclined to use it.
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    Has the answer "no" been established yet?


    I thought men were stereotypically portrayed as being bullheadedly irrational to begin with anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Thanks for this rational response to Marm's thread, Z.
    Yep. So much trolling.

    Guess that sexism isn't so "secret" after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    It could be nature or nurture, but men generally demonstrate more compartmentalism in their cognitive functioning. It has been fascinating to me to see how men can demonstrate certain compartments of clear reasoning, but then also be capable of a level of irrationality that is equally impressive. I have found men also capable of much more single-mindedness and even obsession in their irrationality.

    The most accepted forms of male irrationality are associated with power and so are viewed in a different light. Aggression, sports enthusiasm, etc. are clear examples of extreme irrationality, but are seen as different from crying. I have found it is generally far easier to reason with someone who is sad than someone who is angry because anger is deeply connected to feeling entitled and powerful. A person is much more ready to feel empowered when sad than to become reasoned when angry. In this way I find men are capable of far more extreme degrees of irrationality as accepted by society.
    I voted yes. I read this though and then thought it about it agin.

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    ...but then your argumentation dissolved into the normal crap that it tends to.
    Now I definitely agree with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Yep. So much trolling.
    Oh, "trolling": you most misused word on the internet.

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    Guess that sexism isn't so "secret" after all.
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    I voted yes. I read this though and then thought it about it agin.

    Now I definitely agree with her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I think that irrational men are more likely to mask their irrationality behind a bogus wall of 'logic speak', due to what society has taught them. And in a way, it incapacitates them even further, as they often buy their own bullshit and aren t aware they even have blindspots.
    Exactly.

    I think one easily recognizable irrational trait of 'rational' people is aggression. Is there any way to view aggression of any kind as anything but fundamentally irrational? Is there any reason for aggression outside of a person having some subjective investment (or a feeling of entitlement) in a particular outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    One could certainly argue this, but one would be wrong. Greater emotional mastery will cause women to approach everything emotionally, whether or not that is the best approach. Conversely, men will tend to approach everything rationally. Each group will tend to overrely on their area of mastery/comfort.

    The real question is which group suffers more for the imbalance? Is it worse to approach emotional matters rationally, or rational matters emotionally?
    I do not think either ‘emotional matters’ or ‘rational matters’ can be resolved without some appropriate marriage of both emotional awareness and rationality.

    Greater emotional mastery leads to a person being able to account for how their emotions are affecting their rational judgment. Studies have shown that emotional reactions to stimuli happen faster than the logical processing of that stimuli, and play a rather big role in influencing the direction we take shaping that logic (the amygdala responds first); this is not something that NTs/’rational’ people are exempt from. Even the most ‘rational’ of matters in the most ‘rational’ of people will likely have some subjective attachment- and someone more emotionally aware will be able to discern how their own attachments are affecting their judgment. Someone lacking the emotional mastery to understand how their own subjectivity affects their ‘logical’ judgment is more likely to believe their ideas are more objective/rational than they actually are. [It's no coincidence that those who systematically believe their ideas are more objective/rational than they actually are are the first ones to get aggressive in discussion when others do not agree with them.]
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