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    If you can fall in love, are you whole?

    Or if you can't fall in love, are you damaged?

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    If you can fall in love, are you whole?

    Um, yes.

    Or if you can't fall in love, are you damaged?


    Interesting question, I'm not sure, perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    If you can fall in love, are you whole?

    Um, yes.

    Or if you can't fall in love, are you damaged?


    Interesting question, I'm not sure, perhaps.
    I wasn't sure whether to ask the question in this thread, then I thought, "Psyche does mean soul in Ancient Greek", so I knew this was the right thread.

    But have you given the right answer?

    And if you are right that you are whole if you can fall in love, how odd it is. Because falling in love means losing yourself in another person. I mean on the face of it, it almost seems psychotic whereas in reality it seems to be the fulfillment of our psyche, the fulfillment of our soul.

    And you are not sure whether not being able to fall in love is the sign of a damaged soul.

    And I am not sure either. But being locked out of love seems to be a terrible punishment. And being unable to love is like not being able to breathe. And we suffocate, not only ourselves, but those around us.

    So perhaps those who can't love are damaged and damaging.

    And those who can fall in love are wholesome.

    And let's face it - the whole world loves a lover.

    And the whole world loves whole people.

    The whole world loves the wholesome.

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    I dont think people are incapable of falling in love. I'm sure people can be cold hearted and less able to fall in love like others. Maybe those people need someone to come along and melt their hard hearts.

    truth is we are all damaged even when we fall inlove with that special someone. It's like we keep filling a void with all these addictions but its never enough

    hmmm good question
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    Darn good question.

    I think most people are capable of falling in love but a few are not capable of it. I think they don't want to though either.

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    lol I didnt relize I called you

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizMusica View Post
    lol I didnt relize I called you
    Me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizMusica View Post
    truth is we are all damaged
    The problem is, if we are all damaged, then none are damaged.

    This will stop us from listening to the particular damaged feelings of a hurt person.

    And if we don't listen to the feelings, then they are likely to be acted out and damage another vulnerable person.

    After all, the emotionally damaged are emotionally damaging.

    We really do need to stop the emotional damage being handed on to the vulnerable, particularly children.

    This is the over-riding reason we need to discern who is wholesome and who is emotionally damaged.

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    I don't believe in love, gods or souls. What you mean become whole? As in you become a god or something if you fall in love?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I wasn't sure whether to ask the question in this thread, then I thought, "Psyche does mean soul in Ancient Greek", so I knew this was the right thread.

    But have you given the right answer?

    And if you are right that you are whole if you can fall in love, how odd it is. Because falling in love means losing yourself in another person. I mean on the face of it, it almost seems psychotic whereas in reality it seems to be the fulfillment of our psyche, the fulfillment of our soul.

    And you are not sure whether not being able to fall in love is the sign of a damaged soul.

    And I am not sure either. But being locked out of love seems to be a terrible punishment. And being unable to love is like not being able to breathe. And we suffocate, not only ourselves, but those around us.

    So perhaps those who can't love are damaged and damaging.

    And those who can fall in love are wholesome.

    And let's face it - the whole world loves a lover.

    And the whole world loves whole people.

    The whole world loves the wholesome.
    First, let's deal with the initial statements...

    "If you can fall in love, does that mean you have a fully-functioning brain?"
    "If you can fall in love, does that mean you're "whole"?"

    "If you can't fall in love, does that mean you're brain-damaged?" <--

    I'm obviously paraphrasing these... why? Just because psychology denotatively means "study of the psyche [soul]" doesn't mean the people who coined the word had proof that such a thing as a soul even exists for the sake of study. Many neuroscientists and philosophers would say that "soul" is merely a rough and fuzzy way of describing the personality as it derives from biochemical brain activity. So... maybe we're trying to measure the mass of a perfect vacuum?

    Moreover, the two pronouncements by OP are begging too many questions... it's sort of like asking... "if you can ride a bicycle, is your body fully-functioning/unimpaired?" I might be able to ride a bicycle, have well-formed and non-diseased limbs, no inner ear infections to interfere with balance... and yet be color-blind... so my body is deficient... Likewise, even if we accept point blank the analytical robustness of a concept like wholeness of personality or soul and don't quibble about what love is... the statement assumes an invalid argument... I may be able to love, but I could be lacking wholeness nonetheless (perhaps I can fall in love but have no sense of reason; i.e. I am a madman who does mad things and, when loving, only falls madly in love...)

    The second statement hinges on the first... but could be evaluated independently... just to counter it... maybe, provisionally accepting all the assumptions inherent in your questions... I am whole and am perfectly capable of falling in love, but I've never found the right person... maybe love is contingent on being in the right situation... so I satisfy the condition of being whole, 'being capable/able of falling in love', but the potentiality of being-in-love has never been actualized into actually-being-in-love... does wholeness require realization of all potential, or is mere potentiality enough to guarantee wholeness?

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    "falling in love means losing yourself in another person." I disagree. I believe that love in 'real life' doesn't fit one description... more importantly, I believe strongly that a good sense of self is important to the survival of a relationship between two people, especially when love is involved... I love my mother, but I don't forget myself because of her. And when I was in a deep relationship with a girl in high school, the love I felt I had partly stripped me of self-identity, insofar as I began to define more of who I was and what I wanted to do according to her, and yet I never lost myself... does that mean I wasn't in love? I don't accept that....

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    The whole world loves a lover... agreed... if it's an ideal lover.

    BUT...in general, more needs to be done to define the terms in usage.
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    I razed a slum, Amen.

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