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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Merely saying it affected his views and calling him a sufferer of a mental illness who's views are merely a delusion that cause paranoia are two very different things. He doesn't make any allowance for Valient to be worthy of rational discourse because his views all stem from delusion and paranoia.

    I don't think it's charitable at all. I think it's very demeaning.
    What's "worth" got to do with it? We're dealing with what he's said so far, and he's said things like "the Holocaust never happened." That is not a lucid thought to have, and so it is worthless to attempt to address it rationally.

    I mean, why are you being the Lord Defender here? Do you sympathize with his views and therefore take a bit of personal offense at the suggestion that someone with such thoughts is not all there upstairs?

    I remember YLJ, actually. He's had some doozies in the past about national socialism and blah blah blah. Cuckoo's nest...

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    Hey @Orangey, if you're such a logical person...



    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I had no idea lay people could diagnose people with mental illness over the Internet within a few posts.

    There seems to be a tendency both here and throughout the western world to want to dismiss not just the ideas of racists, but racists themselves. I'm not sure there's a difference here between his viewpoint and the "nature of his thinking." If a racist's ideas are so bad (and they are mostly silly) why bother venturing into personal territory like this? Can't you just accept that this guy had a bad experience, was a legitimate victim, and that affected his views? It just seems like an attempt to delegitimize his views by attacking him personally. He's making terribly baseless arguments, but I don't see the point in trying to dismiss him as a person when his arguments are so easy to dismiss.
    I'm not going to attempt to give him a diagnosis proper, I'm just noting that he certainly appears to be expressing some kind of delusional and irrational thinking that is quite plausibly also a part of some broader mental illness. I don't have to delegitimize him because I presume it is common knowledge that expressing such beliefs automatically delegitimizes him in the view of the social norm. Even he knows that, which is why is he keeps making comments about being thought a heretic.

    When it comes to giving an idea consideration and being a critical thinker, here are some things to keep in mind.
    You don't need to start from square one analyzing an idea you've already analyzed in the past. Valiant has said nothing here that I haven't heard before, and having dismissed it in the passt I don't need to put the effort into figuring out why I should dismiss it all over again. The other thing is that life is just too short, or some things are too urgent, to bother fully considering all of it. You have to take the risk of approximating how reasonable an idea is before even bothering with it.
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    I'm going to be honest here- if a new user came on this forum and posted exclusively about this kind of white supremacy stuff, I'd assume they're a Stormfront plant (seriously, they used to send over plants all the time on INTPc, must have thought it was fertile ground for recruiting) and I'd ban them. Since this "new user" turned out to be an old user with a few thousand posts, that isn't going to happen, and I don't want to see this become a personal pile-on. But I'd still also not like to see TypoC become Stormfront Lite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I'm not going to attempt to give him a diagnosis proper, I'm just noting that he certainly appears to be expressing some kind of delusion and irrational thinking that is quite plausibly also a part of some broader mental illness. I don't have to delegitimize him because I presume it is common knowledge that expressing such beliefs automatically delegitimizes him in the view of the social norm. Even he knows that, which is why is he keeps making comments about being thought a heretic.

    When it comes to giving an idea consideration and being a critical thinker, here are some things to keep in mind.
    You don't need to start from square one analyzing an idea you've already analyzed in the past. Valiant has said nothing here that I haven't heard before, and having dismissed it in the passed I don't need to put the effort into figuring out why I should dismiss it all over again. The other thing is that life is just too short, or some things are too urgent, to bother fully considering all of it. You have to take the risk of approximating how reasonable an idea is before even bothering with it.
    This from the person who had the experience of seeing some weird green ball of light a few years ago?
    If I have anything, it is a better-than-average long-term memory for information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I'm going to be honest here- if a new user came on this forum and posted exclusively about this kind of white supremacy stuff, I'd assume they're a Stormfront plant (seriously, they used to send over plants all the time on INTPc, must have thought it was fertile ground for recruiting) and I'd ban them. Since this "new user" turned out to be an old user with a few thousand posts, that isn't going to happen, and I don't want to see this become a personal pile-on. But I'd still also not like to see TypoC become Stormfront Lite.
    So, how many antisemitic YouTube videos does it take before we can officially qualify as an arm of Stormfront?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I'm going to be honest here- if a new user came on this forum and posted exclusively about this kind of white supremacy stuff, I'd assume they're a Stormfront plant (seriously, they used to send over plants all the time on INTPc, must have thought it was fertile ground for recruiting) and I'd ban them. Since this "new user" turned out to be an old user with a few thousand posts, that isn't going to happen, and I don't want to see this become a personal pile-on. But I'd still also not like to see TypoC become Stormfront Lite.
    This is after all a thread about race, gender and identity.
    One I did not post.
    Also, there were people in it who wanted to talk about it.
    And as I understand this mighty forum is based in Baltimore, in the Land of the Free...
    I thought anything was up for discussion as long as it was done politely.

    Now, if you remember... It always ends like this.
    This is not the first time Magic Poriferan has called me mentally ill for holding views other than his own.
    Or others, for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant View Post
    This from the person who had the experience of seeing some weird green ball of light a few years ago?
    If I have anything, it is a better-than-average long-term memory for information.
    Well, that would have been a hallucination without a delusion, which is an entirely different beast. That can even be caused by migraines. At this point I'm thinking that if I actually saw something, then it was a green firefly just out of direct site.

    That kind of thing is not at all comparable I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    So, how many antisemitic YouTube videos does it take before we can officially qualify as an arm of Stormfront?
    I don't know. It's pretty troublesome to me and I'm really trying to figure out the line between censorship of thought and preserving the forum's integrity. I will say that if you intend to post exclusively about white supremacy, Valiant, I urge you to find another forum for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I don't know. It's pretty troublesome to me and I'm really trying to figure out the line between censorship of thought and preserving the forum's integrity. I will say that if you intend to post exclusively about white supremacy, Valiant, I urge you to find another forum for that.
    Hey, I don't have much time for anything else right now.
    When I logged on here, I had 7 notifications which I had to reply to, and a steady stream of arguments and insults since.
    Do you want me to just lay flat and die?

    So. Essentially, you have a forum full of liberals, libertarians and neo-conservatives.
    My idea of things should somehow be illegal, though?
    A representation of one, ideologically, isn't really all that much to ask for in discussions.
    We exist everywhere now. If you can't convince us or yourselves that we are wrong...
    Perhaps it is not the case. Perhaps we should be allowed our opinions and treated with respect.
    You know. Aren't you guys supposed to like democracy?
    Isn't it a bit undemocratic to not respect the views of someone else?

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