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    The title of this thread is a the name of a class I was forced to take in college.

    I mean it was a good class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moniker View Post
    Along the subject which arose from this thread, to what extent does your race and/or gender factor into your sense of identity? For me, I would say, very little. I view both as rather arbitrary. Not that my personality hasn't been influenced by the environment I was raised in, and society as a whole, gives more attention to such issues than I do. I view racial pride as a subtle form of racism and pride in one's gender as sexism; both of which, like nationalism, can fester into a disdain for anyone who does not belong to your group, or evolve into a sense of elitism. Are minorities in any given population more likely to identify with these characteristics in opposition to a perceived threat from the majority, whether real, imagined or exaggerated? I can understand it to an extent, as I believe that my personality is contrary to the majority of the population and feel a certain kinship with those who seem like-minded. Perhaps, I have even let resentment toward those who behave in extreme contrast to myself build up over time. Excessively loud people annoy me and if someone seems unintelligent, overly confident and lacking in self-awareness, I admit that I harbor a repulsion to their presence. Much of that has to do with the fact that many of these people seem to rise to the top of the social hierarchy, but I'm getting away from the topic. Maybe it is easier for someone who doesn't belong to a particular minority to form his/her identity on characteristics which don't pertain to such factors; although I'm not differentiating between sex and gender because most will agree that they are innate qualities that nobody has control over, regardless of how an individual defines them. That's what I appreciate about online correspondence. Unless someone divulges their race or gender, they are primarily judged by the content of their character or how they choose to convey it instead of prejudices and expectations cultivated by society.
    Re bolded: why does everyone on the Internet hate Se doms?

    I checked my nohari the other day, and it was filled with words like "vacuous, loud and self-satisfied." How can you know I'm loud? If you've never even met me in person?

    Anyway, you are your race and gender more than you realize. I got a rude awakening just YESTERDAY, I always think I'm so DIFFERENT than the people I left behind in West Virginia and North Carolina, and I start reading about "honor cultures" (the American South is a culture of honor) and I see myself, reactive and vengeful and full of expectations about how men should behave toward me.

    Here I am, feminist, living in California, and still a product of my honor-culture-race and gender-role. And so are you.

    And white males tend to be the BIGGEST DENIERS.

    They're usually all like "race and gender don't matter." Oh, no, I guess it doesn't when the entire world has been designed to cater to white men, I guess race and gender don't matter to you.

    EDIT: Nevermind, the reason why people on the Internet hate Se doms is revealed by the RED WORDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moniker View Post
    Along the subject which arose from this thread, to what extent does your race and/or gender factor into your sense of identity? For me, I would say, very little. I view both as rather arbitrary. Not that my personality hasn't been influenced by the environment I was raised in, and society as a whole, gives more attention to such issues than I do. I view racial pride as a subtle form of racism and pride in one's gender as sexism; both of which, like nationalism, can fester into a disdain for anyone who does not belong to your group, or evolve into a sense of elitism. Are minorities in any given population more likely to identify with these characteristics in opposition to a perceived threat from the majority, whether real, imagined or exaggerated? I can understand it to an extent, as I believe that my personality is contrary to the majority of the population and feel a certain kinship with those who seem like-minded. Perhaps, I have even let resentment toward those who behave in extreme contrast to myself build up over time. Excessively loud people annoy me and if someone seems unintelligent, overly confident and lacking in self-awareness, I admit that I harbor a repulsion to their presence. Much of that has to do with the fact that many of these people seem to rise to the top of the social hierarchy, but I'm getting away from the topic. Maybe it is easier for someone who doesn't belong to a particular minority to form his/her identity on characteristics which don't pertain to such factors; although I'm not differentiating between sex and gender because most will agree that they are innate qualities that nobody has control over, regardless of how an individual defines them. That's what I appreciate about online correspondence. Unless someone divulges their race or gender, they are primarily judged by the content of their character or how they choose to convey it instead of prejudices and expectations cultivated by society.
    to be honest, not at all
    - gender is not part of my identity. sure, I'm aware of the natural tendencies within myself that probably result at least partially from being male (ex: more aggression and ambition) but I don't feel like I'm supposed to be a certain way because I'm male.
    - race is nothing more than a differing set of external traits (skin color, facial structure etc). sexual attraction is the only area where I see race as significantly consequential (for instance, some people are only attracted to certain sets of characteristics that are only present within certain certain races. for instance, I'm almost exclusively attracted to Caucasians because I have a blue eyes fetish). other than that, it's merely a social perception.

    my identity is kind of hard to explain. it's like an idealized self in my head that doesn't even look all that much like me, but I strive to be like this ideal self in the way that I behave, what I do, how I dress and what I seek to acquire (perhaps "strive" isn't the best word, as it could imply a desire to change my natural tendencies).
    PS: I wrote another page or so going on a rant of useless Fi-babble about my identity, but it would have been rather pointless to include.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moniker View Post
    Along the subject which arose from this thread, to what extent does your race and/or gender factor into your sense of identity?
    Gender, as a construct, is a thing that I express in my art work; it demonstrates its impact on me through my portrayal of alter-egos. In real life, I'm one person - female, but with some maleness, high testosterone, etc; I don't really think about "what" I am. But in my music, I express different parts of myself more specifically; hence, alter-egos. I would say, if I had to break it down, my male alter ego represents my lust for conquest and addiction to autonomy while my female alter ego represents my innocence and creativity, and also my pure animal carnality. I also have a third alter-ego who represents my more "practical" rather than "mystical" self; she wears librarian glasses and argues about politics on facebook. Since I happen to be female, and she's pragmatic, she's female; but her personality feels bi-gendered to me, and her nickname is "Dick."

    So, I would say it manifests as a form of expression, or works into some way that I express myself through that lens, but it's not necessarily pertinent to my general identity.

    As for race or culture, I don't really find it relevant to my sense of self or identity or choices. That being said, I notice some behaviors in myself that are associated with my culture; but that could also be because I was raised by my parents and some of their choices made sense to me, and we share genetics. There are also behaviors in me that people have associated with other cultures, so I have no idea if it's relevant. I'd be interested to see if anyone can guess my background based on text. =p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant View Post
    This is a pretty good text on the matter:
    Part 1: http://www.tomatobubble.com/wonderfulrace1.html
    Part 2: http://www.tomatobubble.com/wonderfulrace2.html


    Being a White European man, I have certain ideals and obligations which I live up to.
    I must be strong, courageous, assertive, knowledgeable and a doer.
    I must be a good father, steadfast friend and loving husband.
    And by the gods, I am.
    I must also fight against whoever seeks to destroy us. And I do.
    Courage today, victory tomorrow!
    Our identity has been eroded by years and years of ceaseless propaganda and indoctrination...
    We have been feminized, liberalized and we have no sense of direction like all other races.
    Seeing those without it, I can only think back to the days where I hadn't awakened yet.
    I look at others with a mix of hope and pity.
    Re bolded: I've seen people like you on the particular severe and conservative and racialist end of European preservation forums. Always caucasion men in their 20s-50s bemoaning the downfall of the white man, feminized pansy, victim of his white ladies running off with Hombre



    or bro



    or some hybrid of both



    When the truth is that it's entirely bullshit. There are also African American and Latina women that date "white men." And the "feminization" of European men must have begun with Shakespeare and his tights, it's not something that post-1970's feminists have suddenly subjected you to.

    I find men like you pathetic. If you don't want to be a victim, take some fucking responsibility and stop blaming feminists and liberals for your imagined plight.


    Anyway, metrosexual white men are hot, the ones who fully embrace it, they are actually some of the most confident, intelligent, masculine men alive. BECAUSE THEY OWN IT.



    It is, however, in my blood to be what I am. And if you look deep into yourself... You can find that warrior there.
    Some of you certainly do not like what I write. Today.
    But you will remember me when you are forced to wake up from your liberal dream world.
    You might have an itchy little precognition that it might just be crumbling all around you.
    Soon, we will all live in Detroit conditions, and we will be a hated minority if we do not do something about it.
    And you know, the dream will shatter and we are going to war again.
    A lot of bad things will happen, but in the end we will regain our identity.

    We have everything to be proud of, and nothing to be ashamed of that hasn't been repaid a thousand times already.
    The world would be a very uncivilized place if it weren't for white people.
    Anyone who tells me I can't be proud to be White can respectfully kiss my behind.
    Cool story, bro.

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    There are some interesting thoughts here being tossed around like salad. Unfortunately, what little time I've spent in the forum lately has been focused on the subject of camel toe and its offense to humanity. I may return to this thread later.

    Please continue...

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    Something is serious fucked on this forum if someone like Marm can get a 6mth ban for being a bit uppity but someone who commits the crime of Holocaust denial, which carries a jail term in most of Europe, is allowed to spout his hatespeech with impunity.
    SERIOUSLY. FUCKED.
    Why are you allowing this site to be a hub for the dissemination of the ideas of offensive despicable lying criminals?

    And stop excusing him because of his fictional accounts of being attacked by immigrants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant View Post
    growing rapidly, especially in Europe.
    That explains why the sources you cite are distinctly American redneck.
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    We have a couple of million non-whites. In a small country of 7 million ethnic swedes.
    Whites hardly do any crime except drunken brawling anymore, but that seldom hurts anyone bad.
    I guess it must have been those non-white invaders who came to my country then? Raping and pillaging and terrorising the natives. You know, given the overwhelming evidence that whites are incapable of violent crime.
    Unless you've been lobotomised, you can't possibly believe the idiotic things you are saying. Viking Troll.
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    I'm going to be honest here- if a new user came on this forum and posted exclusively about this kind of white supremacy stuff, I'd assume they're a Stormfront plant (seriously, they used to send over plants all the time on INTPc, must have thought it was fertile ground for recruiting) and I'd ban them.
    Seriously? Interesting. I can't say I've ever encountered an INTP this crazy. Not even at the home of INTP craziness. It would be interesting to find out what the type distribution is in these sorts of groups... I guess the elitism inherent in type-specific fora is more likely to foster delusional ideas of supremacy/persecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Because I believe in tolerance. Real tolerance. Not this postmodern liberal bullshit everyone-has-to-basically-believe-the-same-thing-but-we-call-it-tolerance.
    Is it not also because you recognize a pattern? His ideology is basically a racio-political religion, including the familiar cherry-picking of facts, the fabrication of evidence, the delusion of truth, the resistance to rational thought and reasonable inference, and the urge to turn belief into militant action against 'the others'.

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