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    Default It seems that society just want us to live an ISTJ life

    It seems that in this age, modern society just want us to live an ISTJ life. Obey society's rules and don't stir up any trouble, don't express any weirld thoughts. The government want us to fix into nice little boxes.
    We have been programmed that way since in school. If we don't go to school and do our homework, we get punished. The same is true when we reach adulthood, if we don't go to work and follow a routine schedule. we get fired. Anyone who tries to break out of the ISTJ lifestyle will suffer severe consequences. No wonder most Ps end up sleeping in the streets or get laid off. Most SPs went to sell drugs or join the Mafia. The middle class is full of ISTJs who is afraid to take risks and worry they will be out of money.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    It seems that in this age, modern society just want us to live an ISTJ life. Obey society's rules and don't stir up any trouble, don't express any weirld thoughts. The government want us to fix into nice little boxes.
    We have been programmed that way since in school. If we don't go to school and do our homework, we get punished. The same is true when we reach adulthood, if we don't go to work and follow a routine schedule. we get fired. Anyone who tries to break out of the ISTJ lifestyle will suffer severe consequences. No wonder most Ps end up sleeping in the streets or get laid off. Most SPs went to sell drugs or join the Mafia. The middle class is full of ISTJs who is afraid to take risks and worry they will be out of money.
    I assume you are an STP and an STJ has just tried to steamroll you? Have you tried getting into something like Web Developing (HTML, CSS, PHP and Javascript), where there is a degree of opportunity and freelance autonomy? I work for a small company and the website developers in my department are I believe all SP and they are very good at producing artistic yet fully functioning websites. I hear plenty of tales from them where skilled freelance developers can make good money, a company just suggests their requirements which you complete in your own way and get paid. It would probably be good for SPs because the Se should identify real world opportunities and that you would have a large degree of autonomy from pesky judgers who try to mold you. It's just a suggestion where you could make a living whilst limiting interaction with these people.

    You're probably smarter than they are; if they are anything like my little brother they think they are more useful and intelligent than they actually are. They only excel because the STJ numbers and drive to implement has made the world in a way that suits them best. There is a crippled component in their brain as far as their imagination is concerned so in many ways they will live lives where they must suffer and struggle along the tried and tested route when P's flexibility could just fly through with far less effort. If you are more influential, more prosperous and more capable of achieving with less effort than they need to apply to the situation then you haven't just broken out of the lifestyle but proven your way superior.

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    I believe the natural order of things dictates this so, I wouldn't place the blame on society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    I believe the natural order of things dictates this so, I wouldn't place the blame on society.
    What is the natural order to things? What is the correct process? How many different ways can one perform a basic task? If the natural order of things dictates anything is that the strongest must dominate. What if the STJ with its rigid system of operation is not the strongest system? For one they aren't the best types to go with the flow when situations beyond their control suddenly change direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    What is the natural order to things? What is the correct process? How many different ways can one perform a basic task? If the natural order of things dictates anything is that the strongest must dominate. What if the STJ with its rigid system of operation is not the strongest system? For one they aren't the best types to go with the flow when situations beyond their control suddenly change direction.

    Yes, I agree. We are on the cusp of maximization of socialism mixed with free markets, I feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    What is the natural order to things? What is the correct process? How many different ways can one perform a basic task? If the natural order of things dictates anything is that the strongest must dominate. What if the STJ with its rigid system of operation is not the strongest system? For one they aren't the best types to go with the flow when situations beyond their control suddenly change direction.
    What's strongest in the "natural order" usually isn't legal. Strength is redefined in bureaucratic terms, in this world, for better or worse. It isn't about who can or can't dominate, but who defines the rules of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    I believe the natural order of things dictates this so, I wouldn't place the blame on society.
    No, that is how organisms behave under high resource constraints. Life has many phases and cycles and during times of access to new resources (such as when a new niche is found) the "natural order" is for gene sets to expand outward radially in an exponential fashion. So for example, the way humans expanded after the development of agriculture, the Cambrian explosion, when a species finds a new niche in which it is dominant/lacks natural predators such as the kudzu vine in the south, etc
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    It's not the government or STJs, it's just the subconscious homeostatic mechanisms that keep humans alive and reproducing. Sticking to the safe and familiar generally takes care of maintaining existance for you. Blame biology for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    No, that is how organisms behave under high resource constraints. Life has many phases and cycles and during times of access to new resources (such as when a new niche is found) the "natural order" is for gene sets to expand outward radially in an exponential fashion. So for example, the way humans expanded after the development of agriculture, the Cambrian explosion, when a species finds a new niche in which it is dominant/lacks natural predators such as the kudzu vine in the south, etc

    So you're saying we simply need to mass produce artificial jelly meat to absolve ourselves of the tedious existence of work and growth? I'm down.


    Edit: Or would we evolve to the next plateau?

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    No, I think the next best step is colonization of the moon and eventually mars.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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