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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    What you mean is, society wants you to be an obedient drone.

    Enough people have made that point in the past without referencing typology.
    whatever, you aren't contributing shit except playing devil's advocate.

    My premise: Society want us to live an ISTJ life
    your assumption: ISTJ are mindless slaves
    Your conclusion: society want us to be mindless slaves

    you made that assumption and conclusion yourself. I didn't imply any of that.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Mbti can't measure the personality of one person, never mind a whole society.
    generally it can be assumed that the "masses" are ISTJs, skeptical and risk averse. Of course , that is only based on my very limited observation and experience.

    Type is only a tool for understanding people. To understand people you have to make assumptions.

    But then I do feel contempt for ISTJs Failure is wasting your whole life doing what other people tells you what to do and unable to follow your dream, and its seems they are the ones most likely to go that direction. There is no bigger failure than wasting than your life and live in doubt and fear.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

    "In this Caesar there are many Mariuses"~Sulla

    Conquer your inner demons first before you conquer the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    whatever, you aren't contributing shit except playing devil's advocate.

    My premise: Society want us to live an ISTJ life
    your assumption: ISTJ are mindless slaves
    Your conclusion: society want us to be mindless slaves

    you made that assumption and conclusion yourself. I didn't imply any of that.

    Then in the very next post:

    generally it can be assumed that the "masses" are ISTJs, skeptical and risk averse.


    My point: you are using "ISTJ" as a shorthand for a set of characteristics, which are cultural and have ntohing to do with MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I read it in a book called How To Think Like Sherlock Holmes, its consistent with what Jung thought about Sensing.
    Interesting. I'll look into the book.

    I'm quite certain the Holmes was a sensor indeed (or would be if he were real), but he seems to use it mainly in an extroverted way with his constant awareness of his environment and many other things I can't name as I haven't read any stories in a while. I'm quite sure he was ISTP, but Doyle based him on two of his friends/acquaintances (if I remember correctly), so he would probably carry traits from people with different types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    And where is the Ni?
    All of the innovation and push toward progress. We also have a strong, strong fantasy aspect to our culture.

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    Oh I don't know.

    I do alright. Just don't ask me to DO anything per se and we'll get along fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    All of the innovation and push toward progress. We also have a strong, strong fantasy aspect to our culture.
    Ive always thought that was more Ne and so did Isabel Briggs-Myers. See how I looked up to authority there? You could all learn a thing or two from that.

    Excuse me a second I have to go dodge an opportunity and take a nip down Riskadverse alley.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    Anytime you want to stop using an MBTI type as a put down, that'd be great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    so did Isabel Briggs-Myers. See how I looked up to authority there? You could all learn a thing or two from that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post
    Anytime you want to stop using an MBTI type as a put down, that'd be great.

    Yeah
    I really like cats and food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    generally it can be assumed that the "masses" are ISTJs, skeptical and risk averse. Of course , that is only based on my very limited observation and experience.

    Type is only a tool for understanding people. To understand people you have to make assumptions.

    But then I do feel contempt for ISTJs Failure is wasting your whole life doing what other people tells you what to do and unable to follow your dream, and its seems they are the ones most likely to go that direction. There is no bigger failure than wasting than your life and live in doubt and fear.
    This is pure fantasy. If we are interested in measuring our personality, we pay a qualified Psychmetrician to apply a reliable and valid psychometric test, then to interpret the results for us.

    Mbti is astrology for the college educated or perhaps it is psychometrics in bad faith.

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