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    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    First I never said I hated ISTJs, and I already repeated this many times in the thread. I just said society expected you to live an ISTJ life, whether you like to or not, and if aren't one too bad.
    Fair enough.
    Second, P get laid of more often than Js because they refuse to conform to standards, especially if they don't conform to the 9 to 5 pm norm.
    That's a far cry from "Most Ps sleep in the streets and get laid off."

    Third, most SPs do not sell drugs or join the Mafia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I havent read the thread but I just wanted to add that the ISTJ is the type which Sherlock Holmes is meant to be.

    Not too shabby.
    Go on: I've considered a few types for Holmes (INTJ, INTP, ISTP), but never ISTJ. Explain your thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    Go on: I've considered a few types for Holmes (INTJ, INTP, ISTP), but never ISTJ. Explain your thinking.
    I read it in a book called How To Think Like Sherlock Holmes, its consistent with what Jung thought about Sensing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Which society is this? The British upper middle class?

    Because I know you aren't talking about the U.S. which is more ENTJ; Te dominant with over-emphasis on externalized objects of success and efficiency at the expense of human dignity and spirituality (rejected Fi), as well as big huge wads of childish tertiary Se screaming at us from every commercial and billboard.
    And where is the Ni?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    And where is the Ni?
    *sigh* probably counter terror plots, the CIA, and the department of homeland security
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    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    Misapplied? Not to mention typology?
    So what do you think society what us to be? Why don't you tell me and offer us your valuable alternative insights.

    (I think you are just opposing for the sake of opposing, while contributing nothing of value in return , like playing devil's advocate for the sake of trolling, )If not please give us what alternative model of how to meet society's expectations, play society's game and win.
    What you mean is, society wants you to be an obedient drone.

    Enough people have made that point in the past without referencing typology.

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    anyway, I've known quite a few ISTJs and wouldn't describe any of them as "obedient drones"... most of them (with a few exceptions) aren't wild and crazy hellraisers, but they tend to do their own thing and get by

    society isn't easy for ANYONE to fit in... and I really don't think that it's meant to be. When you combine the aggregate of what everyone is and everyone wants it becomes something that NOBODY is and it's not exactly what anyone wants. You say that society wants for you to be an ISTJ but ISTJs might find it to be the other way around. (I've heard complaints that society keeps wanting one particular person to be less responsible! )

    that's why you don't count on society, whatever that is exactly, to make you happy... it won't no matter who you are... happiness and your place are made by you

    (yeah, going back to my old "the world don't owe you shit!" message )
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    anyway, I've known quite a few ISTJs and wouldn't describe any of them as "obedient drones"... most of them (with a few exceptions) aren't wild and crazy hellraisers, but they tend to do their own thing and get by
    yep.

    but the OP basically means obedient drones.

    so why say ISTJ?

    You're agreeing with my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    yep.

    but the OP basically means obedient drones.

    so why say ISTJ?

    You're agreeing with my point.
    I was aware of that
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