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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    That's interesting. No, I hadn't heard of that.

    You're smart!
    I think the world would be smart if people didn't think everyone was stupid.

    And I mean actually stupid, not the 'I'm calling you stupid because I'm frustrated with you' stupid.

    I once saw a sticker on a motorized scooter that said "CAUTION! This product moves when used." I shit you not, that is the literal sticker that was actually right on the handle bars. That tops the "may contain nuts" warning on packages of nuts.

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    There are more intelligent people and less intelligent people, that's a provable fact.

    Abstract thinking is not an exclusive power of Intuitives. Maybe sensors are not that into theories and speculations, but if they're intelligent enough they understand things like the relativity of space and time. Do you think someone with IQ 80 is able to understand such things? But I know people with IQ 100 and they seem very interested in astrophysics. So, my point is that dull people can't handle information about abstract things, which they can't express in pictures. A discussion about concrete things like "who's got the better car?" is understandable for a large part of population, if you have the knowledge about cars and if you're really stupid you are just open to things you can express with emotions, like friends, sex or even food.

    I think the world would be smart if people didn't think everyone was stupid.
    No one would be stupid but no one would be intelligent too. Communism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infperson View Post
    No one would be stupid but no one would be intelligent too. Communism?
    Well what I meant was stop the superiority, and one would hope that means people stop being anti-intellectual, and also stop the hand holding which just encourages people to be mentally lazy.

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    I doubt Victor meant this in MBTI terms, but this does remind me of an idea I was considering on holiday, albeit a not very original one.

    Essentially if type statistics can be trusted there are more sensors than intuitives. However I think it is also fair to say that the more rare something is the more it can fall into the odd type of fringe values held by those who are on the fringe themselves. More so if someone is excluded, very often they find themselves an excluded group from which they can then exclude others.

    The point is that within type theory, intuitiveness is considered intrinsically superior for certain aspects, (especially that of intelligence), partly because of it's status of exclusion. Ok so far so boring.

    So what is my point? Well if we can reason that the lower population of intuitives are the same ones who have created the very abstract pursuits that they favour, in spite of their reduced numbers and popularity, then we can understand that those pursuits are touched in favour of the intuitives, much the same as commonly held sensory pursuits are attributed to sensing types.

    However, what if this were reversed? What would happen if the sensing types were the minority? Suddenly an individual perhaps skilled in the arts of practical and manual skills would be revered on such forums as these with the same gusto as the abstract theorist. The evaluation of the value of something is what defines it's importance to us, even among thinking types, but abstraction is not inherently superior to concrete considerations, because we define the value, no outside force does.

    So it comes down to a matter of which occurs most or least.

    Also the suggested greater numbers of sensing types would contribute to an image of lower intelligence, after all it is more likely to occur on a percentage.

    However while many sensing individuals are stupid, not all individual sensors are stupid. In fact, as said above, using a percentage, (assuming accurate typing and statistics), could it be fair to suggest that there could be an equal amount of stupid intuitives as sensing types, but the lower population obscures this facet?

    Obviously intelligence and stupidity are subjective, even within a society's judgement which pretends to present such terms objectively, but usually only succeeds in providing a subjective group definition.

    In the end though I would say people are best placed to try and understand the point of both sides of the N/S coin. Many unhealthy intuitive's look like stubborn sensing types and many unhealthy sensing types look like stubborn intuitive's.

    But ive always valued those whose intelligence is evident, regardless of an abstract or concrete bent and as I get older and experience more and more of what is around me, respect and understanding is realised when concerning those elements which at first were dismissed in arrogance and misunderstanding.

    Some intuitive's like to believe they understand a sensate point of view merely because a, (suspected), greater population grants them a larger influence on society, but no society reflects one point of view alone. It is created out of many different influences at once.

    Introverted, extraverted, feeling, thinking, sensing and intuition all have a hand to play in a society. It is when a person loses sight of themselves that they strike out at an object for blame, which misses the subtlety of the people within it.

    But of course, this is just an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    I think the world would be smart if people didn't think everyone was stupid.

    And I mean actually stupid, not the 'I'm calling you stupid because I'm frustrated with you' stupid.

    I once saw a sticker on a motorized scooter that said "CAUTION! This product moves when used." I shit you not, that is the literal sticker that was actually right on the handle bars. That tops the "may contain nuts" warning on packages of nuts.
    lol

    Well I have a theory that our modern world through a combination of factors has severely limited natural selection (primarily since we've disconnected ourselves from the natural environment), and so the collective intelligence has gone down because since people don't really have to test themselves against nature there's nothing to prevent stupid people from surviving. In prehistoric times they would have failed to bring back dinner or provide shelter and suffered the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    lol

    Well I have a theory that our modern world through a combination of factors has severely limited natural selection (primarily since we've disconnected ourselves from the natural environment), and so the collective intelligence has gone down because since people don't really have to test themselves against nature there's nothing to prevent stupid people from surviving. In prehistoric times they would have failed to bring back dinner or provide shelter and suffered the consequences.
    It's also ironic that such people are called savages. I mean if you go to the jungle and meet the people that live there, they know what to eat and know what can kill you and have names for plants and animals that many have never even seen before. Some modern person from society might call these people dumb savages because they don't have computers and electricity, but these people are smart in a different way - they can survive on their own where others would probably die in a week without the 100 necessities that they don't know how to make themselves.

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    what's next, "would you like some fries with that IQ"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    It's also ironic that such people are called savages. I mean if you go to the jungle and meet the people that live there, they know what to eat and know what can kill you and have names for plants and animals that many have never even seen before. Some modern person from society might call these people dumb savages because they don't have computers and electricity, but these people are smart in a different way - they can survive on their own where others would probably die in a week without the 100 necessities that they don't know how to make themselves.
    Inorite? Technology has allowed humans to become lazy, and laziness leads to dull wits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Inorite? Technology has allowed humans to become lazy, and laziness leads to dull wits.
    Au contraire! Technology gave us the printing press in 1440 leading to universal literacy in developed countries.

    And literacy gave us the literal individual, and indeed the literate genius, and even notational music.

    Literacy gave us a counter intuitive habit of mind leading to counter intuitive science, counter intuitive economics, counter intuitive democracy, counter intuitive abolition of institutional slavery, counter intuitive emancipation of women, and the counter intuitive prosecution of child abuse as I write.

    And we can go back even further and the alphabet gave us the Roman Legions and Roman roads and acquaducts and Pax Romana for almost a thousand years.

    The reality is that tribal life is short, sharp nasty and brutish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post

    what's next, "would you like some fries with that IQ"?
    Statistically the dish would be an alcoholic refreshment.
    (Keeping in mind that correlation is not causation)
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