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    What you say is true but there are certain disorders that can only be maintained or improved slightly no matter what you do to try and "cure" them. For people with dissociative disorders it is so ingrained into their psyche because of SEVERE trauma.

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    Yeah. It seems they have to want to have a real life over their disjointed life enough to work through the traumatic memories, etc. I can see that many wouldn't want to do that, I guess.

    But I also cannot imagine not living life to the fullest.
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    Some people just don't have the capacity to do it... it's not necessarily whether it's a desire or not. Some people are not fully aware about their break from reality and never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    Some people just don't have the capacity to do it... it's not necessarily whether it's a desire or not. Some people are not fully aware about their break from reality and never will be.
    From what I've seen, they usually know they have alters. And if they know they have alters, they usually know they also have a hard life.

    But I'm not sure what makes some want to leave that way of existing. I guess a yearning to be alive versus dead. Some prefer to stay dead though, which I can *understand*.
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    Interesting.

    From the other side--and mostly from a devil's advocate perspective, because I largely agree with you: I've had periods where I could and could not put up with another person's bullshit--either because of waverings in my own circumstances or mentality, or because of waverings in theirs. People are often much more inconsistent than they think they are.

    On the sense that we all have multiple personalities to an extent, this is a good read, by the way.

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    What's the difference between this and sociopathy?
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    I have DDNOS and the person you describe sounds a lot like me. I can identify with it.

    Being co-conscious in itself is a bitch, let me tell you. It makes relationships, or really ANYTHING, several times more difficult than usual because there are often parts that don't want something, maybe because they are afraid to connect and be hurt. So everything can take on an ambivalent quality.

    It's very hard and it's very tiring. I've had to push people away because of it and I hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    What's the difference between this and sociopathy?
    In Dissociative Identity parts are fragmented to compartmentalize various feelings and emotions and memories.

    This doesn't necessarily imply a true break from reality or any sociopathic behaviors or anything like that. Often people end up with parts that are within themselves quite 'sane', but might be a different personality.

    I'm sure there are a few out there who have sociopathic parts or psychopathy, but Dissociation is not typically marked by lack of emotions or disfunctional emotions. It's rather marked by too many emotions to handle.

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    Also I will say that this takes a lot of time and effort and a lot of times just never goes away completely.

    From personal experience it took many years to get most parts to integrate and be healthy and healed again. But it is possible. Yet you can't do it just because somebody says you're broken and need fixing. It takes understanding of yourself and self realization. It has to be wanted.

    Now I have maybe only a few parts (two or three other than my 'core' that is talking now) and I'm pretty aware of them and rather stable and grounded most of the time. It was a painful transition to get here but I have a new look on life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    What's the difference between this and sociopathy?

    People who develop DID (the sybil variety) and DDNOS do so to protect themselves from severe chronic trauma, usually of a sexual nature. It must occur before the age of 7 or so or else it seems that the mind is after that unable to 'split'. They also are usually of above average intelligence. The resulting 'mental disorder' protects their inner, unprocessed feelings because they occurred at a time when the person was too young to make sense of them and process them adequately, or because they were simply unallowed or had no time to do so. Most of us cannot fathom the kind of trauma it involves to get here (watch sybil and see what I mean), so it is not hard to imagine a toddler, baby, or young child not being able to process it.

    So, the emotions that would result from the sequestered feelings are stopped, because the feelings are stopped because they are locked away in compartments as @sprinkles described so well. Consequently, what these people are most at risk of are what I would call asocial disorders...things that protect them from getting close to others because they are afraid of enduring further trauma. They live more in a state of stagnation or withdrawal from life because life has always hurt. In doing this, they live on autopilot and are stuck in survival mode always, and most deal with PTSD on a daily basis (because PTSD triggers unconscious arousal) they are protected from the feelings that are buried in their mind and body (lots of 'bad' body memories, probably more so than mind memories like most people have, or can even understand), and are therefore protected from the emotions resulting from that. Everything is sublimated to survival. However, it's been said that they have huge amounts of buried rage.

    Those with antisocial disorder are more conscious of having been hurt and are more consciously angry about it, but don't know how to deal with it, so they learn dysfunctional coping mechanisms that to us seem irrational, but to them make sense, usually aimed at unfair targets/society in general. They must get a sense of relief--because they constantly are dealing with the emotions but don't know how to release them--when they project them or take them out on others. They have also been traumatized chronically from a very young age, but instead of compartmentalizing feelings that are impossible to make sense of, like in DID and DDNOS, etc., they are forced to deal with them. They then can become so desensitized to pain that, in this process, they also do not adequately develop their empathy for others, which makes all the difference. Empathy for others, in the absence of love and in the presence of pain, develops one's conscience. Therefore, they lack a healthy conscience. That is why it is hard to treat them because you would have to go back, I'd guess with intensive and persistent regression therapy, including hypnosis (I'm not usually an advocate of hypnosis but I think in this case it would be necessary), to awaken or retrieve the infantile feelings of empathy, and bring them to life again.

    So people with DID, DDNOS, etc., usually just are at risk of hurting themselves because they become so fatigued fighting to protect themselves and their pysches, in addition to living a dead life, that they have high rates of suicide. Those with antisocial disorder are more at risk for harming others, in various schemes, or homicidally (from your con-artists to your mass murderers). Those with antisocial disorder usually do not have DID or DDNOS because if they had, they might not have become antisocial....Though those with DID and DDNOS, etc., can have some characteristics of antisocial disorder, they have largely been protected from the thrust of it, and struggle more with asocial disorders. Because buried deep in their core are all those unexplored and protected feelings waiting to be opened up.



    Thanks so much Sprinkles for your input. I'm fascinated by multiple personality disorder. Please feel free to criticize my post and I will correct as needed.
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