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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    Try it out yourself before you knock it down. Next time you deal with customer service or whatever else, just be rly dumb!

    I talk dumb, ask dumb questions, make rly dumb statements, assume I'm right and stupidly demand what I want. Makes my life much easier!

    Thing is, life is structured to be easier when you are dumb. Getting free stuff, discounts, extra service, etc. Somehow people just don't want to argue with me so they go with the least resistance.

    Like you - you spend more energy explaining and helping a dumb person than the average person just to get the job done. Is that fair to the average person? No.
    So if you can't change the system, do what it tells you to do - be dumb.

    No child left behind kind of translates into the adult world and breeds idiots.
    Or you could try being nice to them, that always works for me. You know, treat people like people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponyboy View Post
    Or you could try being nice to them, that always works for me. You know, treat people like people.
    You are rly nice. INFPs are the most gentle type. I like you.

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    Awww, shucks
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    It's a lot easier to be stupid.
    And, why make life harder than it already is?

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    wow... getting accused of being judgmental by people who obviously didn't read the entire thread before leaping to conclusions... kind of funny

    obviously the people I'm bitching about aren't illiterate- we require high school diplomas or GEDs, they have driver's licenses (state law requires a written test that must be passed that's a hell of a lot more complicated than the skills test!) and most of them spend most of the time that I'm trying to explain the directions to them texting instead of listening... which is why they suck at doing things

    I'll be nice until someone acts like I'm there to serve them, in which case I'll let them know that I most definitely am NOT and then I leave them to their own devices... I am in charge of around 30 to 40 people at a time and they all have questions... I don't have the time to type someone's stuff for them. We're not talking about one on one interaction here and we're not talking customer service... I'm there to make things efficient, I smile and let them know what's going to happen next, but I am NOT paid to do their work for them

    and no, I'm NOT going to feel sorry for the people who don't give a fuck and therefore won't listen or try... willfully stupid people don't deserve sympathy

    ** please actually read the thread before jumping to conclusions... it's already been explained that I actually am happy to help people with learning disabilities and probably run about 10 tutorials a day on how to most effectively hold a mouse... people who just don't care and don't pay attention and expect others to do their work for them are not worthy of my help... not when there's 30 or 40 other people there who need direction as well

    plus, my job isn't to be nice to everyone, my job is to make things efficient, explain things in an entertaining way and troubleshoot... I never said I was a nice person, I'm showing a lot more patience than comes naturally to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    wow... getting accused of being judgmental by people who obviously didn't read the entire thread before leaping to conclusions... kind of funny

    obviously the people I'm bitching about aren't illiterate- we require high school diplomas or GEDs, they have driver's licenses (state law requires a written test that must be passed that's a hell of a lot more complicated than the skills test!) and most of them spend most of the time that I'm trying to explain the directions to them texting instead of listening... which is why they suck at doing things

    I'll be nice until someone acts like I'm there to serve them, in which case I'll let them know that I most definitely am NOT and then I leave them to their own devices... I am in charge of around 30 to 40 people at a time and they all have questions... I don't have the time to type someone's stuff for them. We're not talking about one on one interaction here and we're not talking customer service... I'm there to make things efficient, I smile and let them know what's going to happen next, but I am NOT paid to do their work for them

    and no, I'm NOT going to feel sorry for the people who don't give a fuck and therefore won't listen or try... willfully stupid people don't deserve sympathy

    ** please actually read the thread before jumping to conclusions... it's already been explained that I actually am happy to help people with learning disabilities and probably run about 10 tutorials a day on how to most effectively hold a mouse... people who just don't care and don't pay attention and expect others to do their work for them are not worthy of my help... not when there's 30 or 40 other people there who need direction as well

    plus, my job isn't to be nice to everyone, my job is to make things efficient, explain things in an entertaining way and troubleshoot... I never said I was a nice person, I'm showing a lot more patience than comes naturally to me
    I didn't accuse you of being judgmental. I do think you're sensitive and bitter though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponyboy View Post
    Did you just make 2 judgements and then say you prefer to reserve judgement??
    Maybe. Maybe not.

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    Holy hell. The sanctimony, man.. the sanctimony.
    Nobody ever ought to judge anyone, ever, and you're a terrible person if you do

    Of course, that's an obvious exaggeration and a regress to absurdity.. but, c'mon. We should all have to explain that we do all have at least a modicum of sympathy for people who are less fortunate, because it's part and parcel to the human condition and it's a part of how we operate. A vent post/thread is obviously not an insight into a person's whole worldview.

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    it is MUCH easier to have sympathy for the automatons who don't give a fuck when you don't have to deal with a good number of them on a daily basis! I didn't care nearly as much in the past because I didn't have to deal with something like 50 people a day who just don't care or take personal responsibility for their lives... when you deal with that number you start to really wonder about what happened so that so many people just don't care...

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    The subject does get me thinking about 'redemption,' so to speak.

    I know someone who was really, really lazy and demanded that others pick up the slack for him. Now, he's very sick and incapable of fending for himself, but he's left a lot of resentful people in his wake who do not want to help him. He still demands their help, but, at the same time, wonders why they refuse.

    Another person--similar situation. He wasn't lazy, but codependent and manipulative as shit. Now he's in jail and completely dependent--but, again, lots of resentful people around who have abandoned him now that he needs them.

    And the fiancee, an ER nurse, has tons of stories. Tons.

    From one perspective, it's sad. From another, they all made decisions that severely bit them in the ass.

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    If we had infinite time and capacity to learn from our mistakes--if we could truly learn, redeem ourselves, strive to 'do better next time,' and always get second chances--these stories wouldn't be so sad.

    It's also more difficult to sympathize with so-called 'stupid people' if you yourself have clawed your way from the bottom--for good or for bad, it's more difficult to get into the mindset of (or 'forgive') those who have not or cannot do so themselves.

    People gonna be what people gonna be, I guess

    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    I think 50 years ago and before that you might have had people that couldn't have completed the skills test described in the OP yet might have developed other skills or even artistic abilities (I'm reminded of Norman MacLean describing mule packing as an art in one of his short stories about life in Montana). Yet, over the years with the rise of technology people without the ability to perform well on a computer test or fill out a form find themselves without a means to find a rewarding job.
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    So you see for people without the basic skills required by our culture our culture doesn't provide ample opportunity or incentive to acquire them.
    This is a very good point. Once in a while, we must ask--do our tests actually measure what we intend them to measure? Does the structure of the test itself get in the way of properly assessing a person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Holy hell. The sanctimony, man.. the sanctimony.
    Nobody ever ought to judge anyone, ever, and you're a terrible person if you do
    Man, tell me about it. I threw out a couple of ideas, but ultimately said I prefer to reserve judgment since I don't know the people. Apparently the word judgment is offensive.

    Drama baby, drama.

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    @bologna is right as usual about the boy who cried wolf effect AND the fact that I'm venting here because I spend 6 days a week dealing with people who refuse to pay attention and then fail ... The test does accurately measure skills needed though... Identifying things and English... Not my call, it's what the company we're hiring for needs!
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