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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Beliefs are tied to values for you. For me, they're tied to logic. As such, they change easily with persuasive evidence.
    You 'logic' is my feeling. They are both 'rational' in that they are the tools we use to reconcile life events with internal beliefs. They are both superficial to belief, which ends up residing quietly in the unconscious and become part of our ego.

    For example, people used to believe that the world was flat. Show them a picture of a spherical earth and they'll change their belief. Faith is something else. It is belief without evidence.
    But what huge uproars were caused when the earth was proven to be round!! The church had a conniption. It took time to change the collective mind. I agree with you about faith. Faith is the evidence of things not seen. It also makes up our beliefs, probably our most zealous ones, which is why religion incites the worst wars.



    If you have ever tried to console a terrified animal, or even a screaming baby, you would know that rational thought doesn't come into it.
    Let's leave animals out of this discourse. It introduces too many variables for a logical and consistent argument. A screaming baby is laying in his beliefs. If his mother does not console him, feed him, or nurture him, his belief will become one of, "My mommy is not here for me when I cry," and he will adapt accordingly. He will come to believe that mommy isn't there for him when he cries, so he either has to do something else for mommy's attention, or learn to live without it. This adaptation will, if it has to be used often enough, follow him into adult life and be part of his deep-seated belief system, even if he is not conscious of it; indeed he likely will not be conscious of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    You 'logic' is my feeling. They are both 'rational' in that they are the tools we use to reconcile life events with internal beliefs. They are both superficial to belief, which ends up residing quietly in the unconscious and become part of our ego.
    What? No.

    Let's leave animals out of this discourse. It introduces too many variables for a logical and consistent argument.
    I introduce animals specifically because they experience emotions without thoughts. The limbic brain evolved before the higher cortical regions. It's relevant.
    That said, I'm happy to abandon this discourse altogether...
    A screaming baby is laying in his beliefs.
    Laying in or laying down? I don t know what you mean.
    Babies aren't conscious and don't have beliefs until they start to acquire consciousness. They have needs and they have emotional responses when those needs are frustrated.
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    You can lead a horse to water...
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    Anyone has the right to be happy or unhappy for any reason in any situation.

    But whether it is reasonable, rational, consistent with or proportional to reality, or productive, are different and relevant questions.

    Understanding that you have first world problems helps you understand that they are probably rather silly and not worth worrying about. But it's not morally wrong or anything.

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