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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    Nope.
    So what does your school experience have to do with now or anything that I wrote about volunteering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    So what does your school experience have to do with now or anything that I wrote about volunteering?
    The fact that we've been told about what kind of volunteer work is available here - commenting on you saying that it is useful in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    The fact that we've been told about what kind of volunteer work is available here - commenting on you saying that it is useful in the US.
    Oh. I can't imagine believing any of the schools I've gone to or that my kids have gone to are accurate or particularly trustworthy, let alone exhaustive sources of relevant information. Your schools must be different than ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Oh. I can't imagine believing any of the schools I've gone to or that my kids have gone to are accurate or particularly trustworthy, let alone exhaustive sources of relevant information. Your schools must be different than ours.
    We had a teacher who organizes a lot of such things with the government and another one who's husband is one of the guys who you have to go through to make such events. Both are very enthusiastic about all those things and they encourage students to do it. More than once they've spoke about it throughout the whole lesson. Our class teacher gets into from the government and other schools on what is available (though she mostly offers events as in "self-help" kind of thing).

    So yea, it was different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    We had a teacher who organizes a lot of such things with the government and another one who's husband is one of the guys who you have to go through to make such events. Both are very enthusiastic about all those things and they encourage students to do it. More than once they've spoke about it throughout the whole lesson. Our class teacher gets into from the government and other schools on what is available (though she mostly offers events as in "self-help" kind of thing).

    So yea, it was different.
    So there isn't any way making a good impression on someone who organizes a lot of things with the government or who is married to someone you have to go through in order to make (authorize?) events could be of any benefit to someone? Do you use references on employment applications and resumes in your country?

    I could name a dozen places in my town a person could volunteer and my city is not very big. Do you live in a small village or is your government extremely oppressive?
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    @Il Morto Che Parla @Typoz

    Maybe I did misunderstand. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to live a hard life, because it sucks. But the words you are using to describe it convey disdain when spoken in my culture. People here are picking up on the way you are speaking.

    It's understandable that most people don't want a difficult life for themselves but we have different ways of saying that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Don't knock people who make an honest living. I don't care if they are picking up cans by the side of the road - at least they're doing a job.
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    @Il Morto Che Parla @Typoz

    Maybe I did misunderstand. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to live a hard life, because it sucks. But the words you are using to describe it convey disdain when spoken in my culture. People here are picking up on the way you are speaking.

    It's understandable that most people don't want a difficult life for themselves but we have different ways of saying that.
    That's fair enough. I hope I did not come across as aggressive towards you, it was not my intention.

    Ok I will try to express something...in a developing country, at least in my experience, those kind of jobs, are truly a very hard life. I don't mean in the way of "good honest hard work" like a US or British person would think. I mean that the people who do those jobs, have no status in society, cannot afford to eat properly, they live in collapsing houses in unpaved streets, they cannot afford heating in the winter or cooling in the summer, if they lose one paycheck they starve, and there is no prospect of social advance for them, however hard they work. Plus the work will be ridiculous hours, with no health and safety, no rights, no dignity.

    So I cannot speak for @Typoz but only for myself, but having been born in such a country to a reasonably wealthy family (I moved to Britain at age 2)...we do "disdain" that kind of work in the way that you may "disdain" being homeless...it doesn;t mean at all disdaining the person, just thinking, it is a really shitty life.

    I get that in Western Europe or the US, it's not like that, and refuse collector or a construction worker, can have a dignified life. But sadly in most countries that is not the case, and as such middle class eductaed people, would never go near that lifestyle, any more than you would go live on the streets.

    Hope that makes some sense.

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    But Typoz says his family is poor. Wouldn't doing some kind of work while waiting for his unpredictable plan to come to fruition be better than doing nothing? Or would that cause some kind of social stigma that would be difficult to overcome later on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    But Typoz says his family is poor. Wouldn't doing some kind of work while waiting for his unpredictable plan to come to fruition be better than doing nothing? Or would that cause some kind of social stigma that would be difficult to overcome later on?
    No idea, I don't even know what country he is from. I was only speaking of my own experience I can't speak for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    No idea, I don't even know what country he is from. I was only speaking of my own experience I can't speak for him.
    How would such a scenario work in your country?
    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
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