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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'm glad you posted that because to be honest this thread smacks of a sort of conceited arrogance, everyone is wasting their lives apart from the one who can afford, without explanation, to refuse work, very possibly any work what so ever at this point from what I've read, and engage in discussion of vaguely defined "fluid concepts" online instead.

    Its disgusting and also the opposite of any lived life, any really lived life, its a complete and utter dodge out of life, which isnt all sweetness and light and suiting yourself all the time.

    Even the contempt for what are commonplace topics of conversation I think tells on the attitude of the OP, those things are part of life, a big part of life, if all you have for them are disdain then you also have disdain for life. While you can, in self-congratulatory fashion, maintain that everyone else is wasting their life and yours is the superior way, I doubt its something you can do forever, hence threads like this looking for vindication, support or at least someone to give the argument in order that all the rationalisations can be poured forth and in doing so reinforced.
    Yes. Life lives because that is life.

    I think one of the only few ways that a person can waste the life they have is through disdain for life. To deny their nature and deny their current place.

    Some life is hard. Some people only make it by leeching the precious metals out of the circuit boards from electronics discarded by the well off, by melting them down in the same pan they cook in because it is the only one they have, and they breathe in all the toxic and some times radioactive fumes and die early.

    They do this because a human wants to live like most things that are alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    Anyway, that isn't important. Don't take this as offense.
    How is that not important or relevant?

    Barring a really wild card that I can't foresee: how could you have a long term game plan besides being a leech off of people who are doing what you're not willing to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    My definition of wasting my life: not enjoying my life as in living comfortable and doing what I enjoy.

    My reason is that I live in an undeveloped country and my family is poor. Which causes me to be unable to live comfortably. Also unable to make money, as making money requires an investment which I don't have. That, of course, excludes horrible ways of making money, such as horrible jobs. An anyway, those jobs only pay enough to pay for living expenses.

    In short, I feel like I've wasted over 20 years of my life and I'm continuously am wasting it, AND I'm likely to continue wasting it in the near future. Which, to me, feels horrible. I've plans how I can stop wasting it, but they all include factors that will happen but I can't influence them. They can happen today or in a year, but when it does happen, I'm ready for them and I know exactly what I'm gonna do then, step-by-step, both in the worst-case and best-case scenario.

    P.S. To those who're gonna look at this as in "you can do something and yet you don't," that's true. Reasons for this are stated in the second paragraph and it contains little detail, which means that you shouldn't make a strong judgement based on that. The possibilities that I'm aware of usually result in a conclusion that says "it's a waste of time, nothing good will come out of it in the long run, nor short-term."

    So any of you feel like you're wasting your life? If so, describe it - how are you wasting your life? Why are you wasting it? Are you doing anything to change the situation?
    I thought you said you're a programmer? That's an ok job right? If you are from an EU State, can't you find programming work in a rich country?

    Anyway, hopefully your plans will come off dude. I've been in similair situations (except my family is not poor luckily), and it sucks.

    Right now, I don't think I am wasting my life, because I have some pojects, I am increasing my development in my specialist areas, and most important, I have some spare money to HAVE FUN. I go to bars and clubs 2/3 times a week, I go to the gym 3/4 times a week, really that's my life outside of work.

    But I used to feel I was wasting my life for a long time, and then BAM, a chance came for me from God. I'm so thankful, and I pray and give thanks every day. It can disappear tomorrow so I enjoy it now. Hopefully you will have your chance as well my friend, I can see are a clever guy and deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Don't knock people who make an honest living. I don't care if they are picking up cans by the side of the road - at least they're doing a job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    How is that not important or relevant?

    Barring a really wild card that I can't foresee: how could you have a long term game plan besides being a leech off of people who are doing what you're not willing to do?


    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Don't knock people who make an honest living. I don't care if they are picking up cans by the side of the road - at least they're doing a job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'm glad you posted that because to be honest this thread smacks of a sort of conceited arrogance, everyone is wasting their lives apart from the one who can afford, without explanation, to refuse work, very possibly any work what so ever at this point from what I've read, and engage in discussion of vaguely defined "fluid concepts" online instead.

    Its disgusting and also the opposite of any lived life, any really lived life, its a complete and utter dodge out of life, which isnt all sweetness and light and suiting yourself all the time.

    Even the contempt for what are commonplace topics of conversation I think tells on the attitude of the OP, those things are part of life, a big part of life, if all you have for them are disdain then you also have disdain for life. While you can, in self-congratulatory fashion, maintain that everyone else is wasting their life and yours is the superior way, I doubt its something you can do forever, hence threads like this looking for vindication, support or at least someone to give the argument in order that all the rationalisations can be poured forth and in doing so reinforced.
    These reactions were very strange to me, I didn't think he was insulting anyone.

    There are many jobs which I would not do, because fortunately, I am not so poor that I have to. I would never be a refuse collector, or a builder, or work in a factory, or any "working class" jobs.

    This doesn't mean that I look down on those people, just that being a middle class person, I need to keep the same level as my parents gave to me. I would rather spend some time learning, waiting, seeking opportunities, than kill myself doing those jobs which to me, are degrading. Though for some people they are a STEP UP, and that is good for them!

    Maybe it's cultural. I'm from a Latin (NOT Latino, it's different) family and it's kind of expected that your family will support you until you are ready to have a proper career. I used to work part-time jobs for my own spending money, but I have never contributed to rent or food. For many of my pure English friends, this is really strange (and many are from ircher families than me). But for my family, it would be inconceivable to ask their son to do that.

    But meh...why would I feel obliged to make my life harder than it has to be? Why would I do a horrible job when I don't need to do it to survive? It seems wierd to criticize someone for stating that fact...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Don't knock people who make an honest living. I don't care if they are picking up cans by the side of the road - at least they're doing a job.
    Where did I knock them? You must've misunderstood me at some point... In fact, considering that there's a lot of bums, druggies, thieves and potheads around here, I do have some sort of respect for people who don't do all that. Just because they chose to live honestly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'm glad you posted that because to be honest this thread smacks of a sort of conceited arrogance, everyone is wasting their lives apart from the one who can afford, without explanation, to refuse work, very possibly any work what so ever at this point from what I've read, and engage in discussion of vaguely defined "fluid concepts" online instead.

    Its disgusting and also the opposite of any lived life, any really lived life, its a complete and utter dodge out of life, which isnt all sweetness and light and suiting yourself all the time.

    Even the contempt for what are commonplace topics of conversation I think tells on the attitude of the OP, those things are part of life, a big part of life, if all you have for them are disdain then you also have disdain for life. While you can, in self-congratulatory fashion, maintain that everyone else is wasting their life and yours is the superior way, I doubt its something you can do forever, hence threads like this looking for vindication, support or at least someone to give the argument in order that all the rationalisations can be poured forth and in doing so reinforced.
    Now this is even a bigger misinterpretation. This thread wasn't even created to talk about me in the first place. It was created to see if other people think that they are wasting their lives and to find out how they interpret that statement. And anyway, where did I say that everyone who's different than me's wasting their lives? I've even underlined "my" in the OP. You have also ignored what I wrote about looking for a job. I really do hate when people assume something that's based on nothing, especially when something's been said that contradicts with their assumptions. So read my posts again and don't ignore parts of them before making anymore of nonsensical statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Yes. Life lives because that is life.

    I think one of the only few ways that a person can waste the life they have is through disdain for life. To deny their nature and deny their current place.

    Some life is hard. Some people only make it by leeching the precious metals out of the circuit boards from electronics discarded by the well off, by melting them down in the same pan they cook in because it is the only one they have, and they breathe in all the toxic and some times radioactive fumes and die early.

    They do this because a human wants to live like most things that are alive.
    I don't call that life. I call that agony. By the way, people who do that, often drink cosmetic spirit and pick up the leftover tobacco from the extinguished cigarettes.

    @Usehername

    How is it important or relevant?

    I don't understand your question.

    @Il Morto Che Parla

    I never said that.

    I see it this way: as long as you are enjoying your life, you are not wasting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    These reactions were very strange to me, I didn't think he was insulting anyone.

    There are many jobs which I would not do, because fortunately, I am not so poor that I have to. I would never be a refuse collector, or a builder, or work in a factory, or any "working class" jobs.

    This doesn't mean that I look down on those people, just that being a middle class person, I need to keep the same level as my parents gave to me. I would rather spend some time learning, waiting, seeking opportunities, than kill myself doing those jobs which to me, are degrading. Though for some people they are a STEP UP, and that is good for them!

    Maybe it's cultural. I'm from a Latin (NOT Latino, it's different) family and it's kind of expected that your family will support you until you are ready to have a proper career. I used to work part-time jobs for my own spending money, but I have never contributed to rent or food. For many of my pure English friends, this is really strange (and many are from ircher families than me). But for my family, it would be inconceivable to ask their son to do that.

    But meh...why would I feel obliged to make my life harder than it has to be? Why would I do a horrible job when I don't need to do it to survive? It seems wierd to criticize someone for stating that fact...
    Well at least someone didn't assume that I look down on people doing what I refuse to do. I agree with most of your most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't. It's just that, well, at some point this is probably something you are going to want to (or have to) take care of yourself. I don't know how old you are, but most people have to take crap jobs when they are young unless they are born to a family that is somewhat well off.
    I do want that already, I just don't see it as beneficial enough for me to do it at this point. Before I will have to take care of myself, it is very likely that the plan mentioned in the OP will be executed.

    I look at things from a cost/benefit perspective.

    Generally speaking, I only consider someone to be wasting their life when they are taking advantage of someone else or failing to fulfill their responsibilities and obligations. Nobody is obligated to do anything amazing and to work any harder than it takes to get by, but I think we are obligated to try to at least be worth our keep, so to speak.

    Not that I'm particularly hard ass about this. I haven't held very many paying jobs. I have taken care of the household (at a bare minimum) and have been raising the kids at a somewhat better than bare minimum level. My oldest daughter is a college student and I told her she would either have to work or, if she couldn't find a job, volunteer to build up her resume last summer. She didn't do either and I didn't make a fuss. My younger kids are all still in school, so I consider that their jobs and we have a friend of my daughter's staying with us without paying anything because he can't afford it and he's a student.

    When someone else is paying the bills, they get to call the shots. For a lot of people, it's worth it to deal with a crap job in order to have more autonomy. I felt that way when I lived at home, though, granted, my job was not horrible. I was the office girl for a carpet cleaning company, so I worked in a climate controlled environment and I was rarely treated rudely. I was paid minimum wage ($4.00/hr, if I remember right) and had to pay rent to my mother, pay the phone bill, my car insurance, gasoline, etc. My mom gave me the car, so I was lucky there. After that our financial situation deteriorated, so she needed me to contribute.

    Anyway, I know I've only been poor by first world standards, but it is better to do the crap jobs when you are young and relatively healthy, so that, hopefully, you will have moved up the food chain a bit by the time you are older. When you are older, your body starts to give you problems and you may have responsibilities to other people. My husband is only in his early forties and he is starting to have health problems as a result of his job. But he has been working in his field long enough that now he earns a decent wage and we have been able to purchase a house without debt -- granted, the house was so bad the local slum lords passed it up -- but it's shelter no one can take from us.

    If you don't start with something, things will never get better. And, it is often easier to get a job when you already have one than it is to get a good job when you don't have a job or much experience.
    I like how INFJs are generous. Volunteer work's nice from a side-perspective, I respect that. At school, though, we were made to do it. However, since it was called, literally, "volunteer" work, I said that I do not volunteer for it (it was cleaning up the school territory, carrying various things for school, painting the school, cleaning the school, cleaning the windows, cleaning the tables, repairing the tables). I skipped those days when most students "volunteered" both because I think that they should use the budget for that and as a statement that it is volunteer work and they should threat it as such. I've been repeatedly warned that I "won't finish" X grade, but nobody was able to do anything throughout all 12 grades - it was just simple manipulative attempts, after which followed the "guilt into doing it" attempts and "follow the pack" attempts. The last class teacher was very manipulative in general - she manipulated students into paying for what the school should pay - buy stuff for her classroom even though half the class wouldn't even have lessons in there. But anyway, I'm going off-topic here.

    I appreciate you expressing your viewpoint in detail.

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    It's not just about being generous. Volunteering, in the US, at least, can be put on your resume, job applications, and scholarship applications. Right now, the unemployment rate for 16-24 year olds is very high, so young people are having difficulty getting valuable work experience. Volunteer work can help mitigate the damage of happening to be a young adult in the middle of a crappy job market.

    Volunteering also provides opportunities for social networking, which can be helpful, if not vital to getting a good job. People from the middle and upper classes volunteer and if a poor kid makes a good impression on them, they can help them get their foot in the door later on.

    Ideally, volunteering is done to help others, but it can help the volunteer in very tangible and material ways if done intelligently. I do not know if it works the same way in your location, but if it does, refusing to participate in a potentially beneficial activity simply because you resented being required to do it while in school is illogical, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    It's not just about being generous. Volunteering, in the US, at least, can be put on your resume, job applications, and scholarship applications. Right now, the unemployment rate for 16-24 year olds is very high, so young people are having difficulty getting valuable work experience. Volunteer work can help mitigate the damage of happening to be a young adult in the middle of a crappy job market.

    Volunteering also provides opportunities for social networking, which can be helpful, if not vital to getting a good job. People from the middle and upper classes volunteer and if a poor kid makes a good impression on them, they can help them get their foot in the door later on.

    Ideally, volunteering is done to help others, but it can help the volunteer in very tangible and material ways if done intelligently. I do not know if it works the same way in your location, but if it does, refusing to participate in a potentially beneficial activity simply because you resented being required to do it while in school is illogical, IMO.
    Volunteering in school cannot be beneficial in any way, except some teachers may increase your grades for a month. I bet I could've gotten better grades in history class.

    Anyway, we do have volunteer work outside of school. We used to have these classes in school about volunteering and volunteer work, what we can do while we're at school, during the summer and after school. There were two kinds of volunteer work - planting trees and handing out food at the entrance of various stores. I don't see any benefit in neither. You can volunteer to be a security guard in some carnivals, patrolling through the carnival area back and forth, in which I also don't see any benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typoz View Post
    Volunteering in school cannot be beneficial in any way, except some teachers may increase your grades for a month. I bet I could've gotten better grades in history class.

    Anyway, we do have volunteer work outside of school. We used to have these classes in school about volunteering and volunteer work, what we can do while we're at school, during the summer and after school. There were two kinds of volunteer work - planting trees and handing out food at the entrance of various stores. I don't see any benefit in neither. You can volunteer to be a security guard in some carnivals, patrolling through the carnival area back and forth, in which I also don't see any benefit.
    Are you still in school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Are you still in school?
    Nope.

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