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    I identify strongly with my African-American and southern hertiage, but I don't let either of those limit my self-expression. They're my roots and my baseline, but there are countervailing aspects of my self that have never allowed me to fully be at home with either of those identities. The upshot of that is that I've always been a little bit of a cultural magpie: taking the shiny bits of this and that to create something that's uniquely myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    This is an odd list of questions, but I wouldn't mind hearing your answers.

    Do you feel you have a strong sense of who you are or who you wish to be?

    Does who you are or want to be strongly correspond to a cultural archetype or tribe, like a bohemian, indie person, a W.A.S.P, a 'regular Joe', ingenue, etc.

    Does your appearance resemble a particular tribe or archetype, regardless of intent?

    Do you think others can get a strong sense of your personal identity by looking at you? If so, which of these visual cues are natural/genetic, which are conscious choices?

    Is your personal identity at odds with your personal history?

    Are you currently attempting to expand your social circle?
    (this is a perspective of one who is rather SO-Fail)

    1- Oh YES. *checks Fi compass*
    2- No. At times I have emulated certain cultures and ideas to try them on and see if they fit me at all. Then I take what is best and add it to my tiny glitter stash.
    3- Um, I don't think so. I look like me.
    4- I think one would get a much stronger sense of who I am by simply talking to me. (Is that what we are asking? Hahah) I think I am a geode, rather boring on the outside, and stuffed with crystals on the inside.
    5- No. I don't think so. Well, maybe. I am attempting to reconcile my inner ambitions in life and the cultural expectations that occasional attach themselves to me.
    6- Yes. I decided to start working on my SO side a few years ago, and have learned to be more social and friendly to others. I used to have quite my own version of the Death Stare () and wasn't particularly interested in connecting with others. Now, I am finding it so much fun to engage in conversations with other people. I struggle a bit with this because I like giving people my full attention so they know how special they are to me. I feel like I am being less than a friend unless I give all of me. It's a balancing act I am trying to navigate.
    @Qlip, I am really sorry if I didn't answer these questions the way you desired them to be answered.

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    I thought people who are attracted to the symbolic, archetypal, or mysterious are those insane Ni dominants!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    @Qlip, I am really sorry if I didn't answer these questions the way you desired them to be answered.
    You did perfect, Saturned. Here is a chocolate covered truffle-parsnip as thanks. I resonate deeply with your Fi answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    I thought people who are attracted to the symbolic, archetypal, or mysterious are those insane Ni dominants!
    What do people see when they look at you? Do you wear wizard robes? Archetypes are invoked regardless of intent, and by more than Ni users.

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    I have always rejected belonging to a particular group actually... I don't like the idea of it.

    But I do seem to be drawn to quirky people... Or just people I can laugh with.
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    You speak of identity as though it is immutable. Strange indeed. Identity for me is a gestalt, an interplay between perception and will, a dance that changes dynamically with the perceptions. There are many people I respect for having a great talent, natural aptitude, character trait, or vision. This packet of proteins, carbon compounds, organ systems, and wave emissions in a sense of congruence for microns at a time enjoys to emulate them within their various domains. However, I find the interplay between them to be my true self and it cannot be contained within an "I."
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    You speak of identity as though it is immutable. Strange indeed. Identity for me is a gestalt, an interplay between perception and will, a dance that changes dynamically with the perceptions. There are many people I respect for having a great talent, natural aptitude, character trait, or vision. This packet of proteins, carbon compounds, organ systems, and wave emissions in a sense of congruence for microns at a time enjoys to emulate them within their various domains. However, I find the interplay between them to be my true self and it cannot be contained within an "I."
    I did no such thing.. but if if you imagined it as a challenge to answer to, I'm fine with you thinking so.

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    I don't have a very strong sense of who I am. i don't think about it that much. I think the person I wish to be is still me but a me who is much freer with her thoughts and actions. Someone who does the things I think about.

    Not really. Maybe 'artist' but not in the bohemian or pretentious way. More in a bauhaus, utilitarian, conceptual art for the people way. basically i want yo wear non-desrcript but neat clothing and then make exciting things. Is that an archetype?


    I guess I look a bit "alternative". Unnatural colored hair, nose ring, a few not so visible tattoos. My clothes have a bit of a light skater vibe . There is sort of an urban-college-art look here that I definitely fit into in comparison to say club or country or "regular".

    I think people can probably tell that I'm a very function oriented person. Minimal. A little less concerned with rules but not actively trying to break them just from the heck of it. I think that's due to my clothes which are more tom boyish/minimal. the tattoo, piercing and hair are different but it's just a little bit and the hair, despite being unnatural on me, is a natural color for some people. Not typical but also not really attention grabbing.

    No. I never really had any major shifts in Identity.

    Yes, but not to any "type" in particular.

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    Do you feel you have a strong sense of who you are or who you wish to be?

    Partially, and I need more work on this, but with what I do know of myself I'm not entirely sure where it puts me in the context of other people.

    Does who you are or want to be strongly correspond to a cultural archetype or tribe, like a bohemian, indie person, a W.A.S.P, a 'regular Joe', ingenue, etc.

    No. I don't think I can shoehorn myself into a category like that, it would feel constraining. But somedays its simplicity is appealing.

    Does your appearance resemble a particular tribe or archetype, regardless of intent?

    Lately I've been dressing a bit like a yup. Mostly because I like the cleaner look, I have a tendency to dress it up anyway and I feel that if I dress down people assume too much about me.

    Do you think others can get a strong sense of your personal identity by looking at you? If so, which of these visual cues are natural/genetic, which are conscious choices?

    No, but then again I dont' feel as if I have a coherant, archetypical identity, so how could others see it? I started this thread, because I am a Hispanic male living in the Midwest in a small city. It has never been an issue, because I never felt like I needed to integrate. And strangely enough, my differences with the culture were never due to me being Hispanic, but me being Fi. It hardly matters, because to the general population, different is different. And as I have lived here, I've become just a bit sensitive to it.

    But, now I need to increase my social network and also look for some romance. I keep my head nearly shaved and have a very prominant tattoo, which could make people think I am some sort of thug, even though those choices I made had nothing to do with looking like a thug. If I lived in a more diverse area, it would be a bit less of an issue.

    I don't want narrow minded people to like me, but I wouldn't mind giving them something to think about. And I would like for people to think that just maybe that there is more to me than they might assume. It seems to me that the clearest and first way to communicate this is with appearance. So, it's something I've been thinking about.

    Is your personal identity at odds with your personal history?

    Right now, I feel like a younger man looking to explore. My personal history is quite heavy, and suggests more like a middle aged tragedy. I don't feel like that at all, except maybe when reflected in the minds of others.

    Are you currently attempting to expand your social circle?

    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    This is an odd list of questions, but I wouldn't mind hearing your answers.
    K!

    Do you feel you have a strong sense of who you are or who you wish to be?
    Yes.

    Does who you are or want to be strongly correspond to a cultural archetype or tribe, like a bohemian, indie person, a W.A.S.P, a 'regular Joe', ingenue, etc.
    Not really. Perhaps when I was younger, but once I realized how multidimensional I am, I don't identify with any particular one.

    Does your appearance resemble a particular tribe or archetype, regardless of intent?
    Sometimes. Hipster-ish. Maybe a rap video girl sometimes. Nerd other times.

    Do you think others can get a strong sense of your personal identity by looking at you? If so, which of these visual cues are natural/genetic, which are conscious choices?
    No. I confuse people generally. I'm generally very closed off, even when friendly. Most people cannot tell I'm a mother. They also tend to think I'm younger than I am. I notice I have a younger person's mannerisms sometimes, silliness, riding shopping buggies, tightrope walking the curb, etc.

    Is your personal identity at odds with your personal history?
    Yes. Raised in Detroit. Many people live their entire lives there. In general, people become misanthropic dealing with the bullshit that goes on there, which is understandable. I choose to live free from it. I've never been a "Detroit girl". I've always fared better in other places, particularly the west coast.

    Are you currently attempting to expand your social circle?
    No. Not at this point in time. I've relocated to the suburbs of NYC and am pretty much observing the culture before I immerse myself in it. I've lived all over the U.S. and this is sort of routine for me, but I still have to allow myself the time to get used to new areas.

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