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    There are people that I've met who soooooo throw this stuff around. They're sad for more than two days about something, they think they're depressed. They get nervous over a test, they have crippling anxiety.

    I guess you can never really know, someone who publicly drops hints or talks a lot about the said disorder could just be crying for help, or they could be starved for attention.

    But, seriously, it does piss me off to no end when people make mountains of molehills about serious topics, then say that people need to stop joking about them. That's like telling someone you've known forever you hope they die in a car crash, then bawling your eyes out and not being able to function for hours on end because you heard about someone in the news you didn't even know dying in a car crash.

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    Is saying, "I hope something gruesome happens to you," if the you has possibly orchestrated or facilitated something to cause you great pain, better or worse then by comparison.

    Not that I am innocent. But I do believe it sometimes might be easier to emote for someone who has no history against you. This is also true of a toxic person having exceeded tolerable levels of toxicity, yes?

    It is all pain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil_Red View Post
    There are people that I've met who soooooo throw this stuff around. They're sad for more than two days about something, they think they're depressed. They get nervous over a test, they have crippling anxiety.

    I guess you can never really know, someone who publicly drops hints or talks a lot about the said disorder could just be crying for help, or they could be starved for attention.

    But, seriously, it does piss me off to no end when people make mountains of molehills about serious topics, then say that people need to stop joking about them. That's like telling someone you've known forever you hope they die in a car crash, then bawling your eyes out and not being able to function for hours on end because you heard about someone in the news you didn't even know dying in a car crash.
    What I have never understood is this - If people can threaten suicide, post pages and pages of cries for help, constantly tell as many people as will listen how depressed they are and how they want to die - why do they not want to talk to a professional about it? Even when that help is given to them or offered to them as easily as possible? If they can talk to total strangers, why won't they talk to someone trained to help? It's like saying - I'M STARVING I'M STARVING I'M STARVING and being given food and not eating it.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    What I have never understood is this - If people can threaten suicide, post pages and pages of cries for help, constantly tell as many people as will listen how depressed they are and how they want to die - why do they not want to talk to a professional about it? Even when that help is given to them or offered to them as easily as possible? If they can talk to total strangers, why won't they talk to someone trained to help? It's like saying - I'M STARVING I'M STARVING I'M STARVING and being given food and not eating it.
    because professionals often can't help cuz the world is still a terrible place.and it's a wastte of time and money. if you're gonna die anyway. all it does is brainwash you and thinking that life is ok, and delays the realization that they are in fact wrong and that you aren't worth anything in the big scheme of things.but i don't expect anyone to actually get that, they believe the lie that every life is precisous when if 90% of us died progress would still happen. and then there's whole issue of am i just being neurotic.
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    I'm contacting a doctor tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasoline View Post
    you think people who write this stuff on facebook are really suicidal and depressed or do they want attention?
    They are probably depressed or otherwise emotionally unstable. But they definitely want attention. This is why they write it on facebook.
    I think, as long as they ask for attention, they are not fixated on taking their life (yet). If they were, they would have done it.

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    Struggling people have an inner conflict that is in most cases spiced up with hopelessness or a huge lie but often the mixture of these. I have also visited 2 professionals almost 10 years ago and made my conclusion: These are Egyptian vultures who are trying to tear down the flesh from an already dead man, of course gently and in small pieces to provide resources for longer time. They were just listening to me and then in the end they stuffed their pocket with their sky high hourly fee. One of them even offered a several years of scheduled visit to solve something that actually wasn't the problem. When I asked why would I spend my time/energy/money/resources on that, what problems would it solve she answered nothing. Maybe I'm wrong but my assumption would be that they are searching for desperate and "stupid" people who provide them with constant high income source by spending little time with it. It is actually smart and disgusting at the same time. And it is actually a good business if you chose psychology after high school as a result of lack of other ideas. :-D

    Hopelessness can be caused simply by reality. If you have only bad choices and you aren't willing to accept any of those. If you are unable to deal with this then you can easily become dormant.

    Another thing that can cause hopelessness is if you lie to yourself. For example: "Working as a 'slave' is a shitty thing that ruins my life but I don't tell this to anyone because I am expected to be a happy person who loves his work (slavery) so I rather lie to others and myself that I love my work." And we could create several other statements with this pattern. If a person lies to him/herself a lot like this instead of eliminating the sources of problems then a lot of big/small things accumulate up very quickly and then you can go the a "professional" who solves none of these for a lot of money. In this case you are lying to yourself, but you still know that it is a lie and you can not escape that.

    You can also lie yourself unconsciously. This can happen when you assume that there is no solution to your problem because you don't actually know that it can be solved (even if its difficult). This happens often with lazy people who are unwilling to search for solutions/info and unwilling to take action.

    Being honest at least with yourself helps you to eliminate most of the conflicts. Often its very difficult to solve them but dealing with difficult to solve problems is much better than dealing with impossible-to-resolve kind of inner conflicts.

    And here is my advice to people who send "depressed" people to "professionals": Don't advice useless stuff that you haven't tried yourself. You can damage these people even further with shitty advice. As an example: After drawing my dark picture for one of the professionals I've visited she advised me to take pills. Pills can devastate your body like hell, just check a few forums where pill-eating people are crying. After the "professional" advised me to take pills I became very angry that lead to a conversion like this:
    - Which of my problems will be solved by the pills?
    - You will have better mood.
    - How does it make my mood better without solving my problems? Does this mean that it make me happier even if someone was hitting nails into my limbs? And why don't we just take narcotics or alcohol that causes less problems than the side effects of antidepressants, you can check out people crying about them on the forums and its impossible to find forum members who praise pills.
    - Blah blah blah about neurotransmitters....
    - Who will measure the concentration of my neurotransmitters and in which tissues and what concentration will you treat as normal and where?
    - I'm not a psychiatrist.
    - Well then don't advertise the shit you haven't tried I can tell you that a psychiatrist would also be unable to answer this question and you recommend the pills because your shitty book at the university was probably sponsored by the wrong people just like your studies...

    Depression doesn't exist. Crappy situations and difficult/unsolvable problems exist and those have to be addressed by the individual with an honest self-assessment.
    Last edited by SiegfriedSchtauffen; 06-02-2015 at 08:43 PM. Reason: removing a "too brutal" example to my explanation

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    screw this thread. most people should not say things ever. both people who post these things on facebook nor the people judging.
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegfriedSchtauffen View Post
    Depression doesn't exist. Crappy situations and difficult/unsolvable problems exist and those have to be addressed by the individual with an honest self-assessment.
    What is the problem specifically? The fact that you must work to earn a bit of buck to keep living?

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    My actual problems (and ex-problems) don't count. Everyone has more or less problems, I wrote my post just as a general advice for people who consider/recommend the services of professionals. Often the solution is not the services of a "professional" and I don't actually know about a situation to which the solution is a "professional". Maybe you can not feed the solution into all kind of people in the form I presented it but even if you have to sugar-coat it, the solution to "depression" is often what I described.

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