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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Still drawing a from me.
    It's like this: if you put a camera in a workplace to study a work environment, and you tell the workers that you are doing the study, they are going to act completely differently.

    If I told everyone that I'm purposely doing an equivocation to demonstrate something and to see what responses would be, people are going to act differently.

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    It doesnt entertain me, it motivates me though, my own idiosyncratic ideology hinges upon the moral good of seeking to remove all avoidable suffering.

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    I think there are three extreme responses to suffering. One is detachment. Another is empathy. A third is "schadenfreude". In action films the very genre leads us to view it in detached mode. We aren't actually taking pleasure in viewing the suffering of others, rather the suffering is simply an intrinsic part of the film and of no particular consequence. I would like to think this #1 is in the majority film-wise by far. I can't believe schadenfreude accounts for more than a few odd percent unless I'm grossly overestimating human nature. Empathy is the interesting one. It is perfectly possible to "enjoy" (in the broadest sense of the word) a film about suffering when you deeply connect with the character who is suffering. I don't know what a professional psychological opinion would be here, but my view is that this a perfectly normal and healthy situation. You want to put yourself in the shoes of the sufferer. And this, imo, comes nowhere close to masochism.
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    Suffering means different things to different people:



    These two seem to be enjoying themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    It's like this: if you put a camera in a workplace to study a work environment, and you tell the workers that you are doing the study, they are going to act completely differently.

    If I told everyone that I'm purposely doing an equivocation to demonstrate something and to see what responses would be, people are going to act differently.
    I see. I guess it's just as well you didn't explain that then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I see. I guess it's just as well you didn't explain that then.
    Hah yeah. I sensed that people were going to take it too seriously so I aborted it pretty much.

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    I knew what you were driving at sprinkles.

    Actually, when I was young I used to be disturbed about the moral implications of creating an entire universe in story in order to persecute the characters. I'm not sure why it took so long to figure out I am NF.

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    Maybe not quite what you were looking for, but a writer friend of mine once told me that it's very difficult to tell an interesting story without conflict. He wrote some of the "Dinotopia" books and told me they were the most difficult stories he ever wrote because he had to contrive conflict without introducing any violence or real harm.
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    I syphilis don't get it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    ^
    (that was meant to say "still", but is equally good advice)
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