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  • Someone forcing me into a physical experience.

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  • Someone forcing me into a change of idea.

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    Default Which Do You Reject Most?

    You can choose to read this OP, but then you should quickly go to post #25, then you can read the other posts in the thread.

    A. Someone pushing you past a physical boundary.

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    B. Someone pushing you past a mental boundary.

    Alright. Explanation.

    The first is someone forcing you into a physical experience that you do not wish to do, and the second is a person forcing you into an idea that you do not wish to entertain.

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    Physical. I can stop someone from forcing an idea on me more than I can someone forcing themselves physically onto me.
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    Physical, of course.

    I am relatively weak and could not hope to defend myself physically. Mentally, at least I've got a shot.
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    Physical.. the mental is usually fun to entertain at least. If someone is trying to force me physically, then it's pretty odd.. I'll usually do enough on my own, so someone pushing me is too arrogant or stupid to know my or their limits. Like a driver mocking me if I think he's out of control. I know when things are going wrong, physically. I could imagine I wouldn't fare well under military heirarchy too. Some people are pushed to completing missions in the least efficient ways. And they indoctrinate the average solider to believe it's a whole rite of passage or it'd make them a man or hero if they walked through hell. Then they all get killed. More than likely, I'd be court marshalled for going AWOL long before that.

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    My answer could be either based on the context. Why do all of these polls assume one or the other is true in all situations?
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    if someone forces me to do either, I'm going to break them
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    Quote Originally Posted by momental View Post
    A. Someone pushing you past a physical boundary.

    or

    B. Someone pushing you past a mental boundary.

    Alright. Explanation.

    The first is someone forcing you into a physical experience that you do not wish to do, and the second is a person forcing you into an idea that you do not wish to entertain.
    The first would be some sort of assault or torture. The second sounds either impossible or trivial.

    So clearly the first would be more objectionable.

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    Mental is far worse. It's the difference between psychological torture and physical torture...of course you'd prefer neither, but if you're forced to cede control of one of those things, I'd rather hang on to my mind.

    Also, even in a more ordinary sense, psychological coercion is much more detestable to me than physical coercion, which is also quite despicable but far less sly and insidious. Plus, a lot of acts of physical coercion are bad more because of their mental effects than lasting physical damage.
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    Either I'm not understanding correctly or everyone else has failed to properly interpret what "force me into a change of ideas" means. I mean, first of all it would make most sense to assume that the options in the poll are supposed to be of comparable severity, right? Otherwise the question would make as much sense as asking "would you rather be given a rose, or would you rather lick scum off of the ground?"

    So, assuming that the question is not stupid, that rules out any notions that "forcing into a physical experience" means "get your ass beat" (or the like) and "forcing into a change of ideas" means something like someone shrilly yelling "you will read Hegel and you will like it! Now!" The latter, in physical terms, might be more equivalent to "getting your shoulder nudged in a rude fashion."

    Now I'm going to assume also that the question is referring to the most severe forms of each of these, because otherwise the question would be boring and lead to more wishy-washy answers. That's a little less solid of an assumption, though, so if the OP wants to clarify on that point that would be great. Anyway, so the most severe forms of "forcing you into a physical experience that you don't want to do" would involve bodily harm, up to and including death, right? So that would mean that to maintain equivalence between the two poll options, "forcing you into an idea you do not wish to entertain" would involve mental harm, up to and including psychic death or identity erasure, right?

    If I'm right, then, and I'm not misunderstanding things dreadfully, then I think this should be made clear in the OP so as to produce better results and discussion.

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    The first would probably be used to achieve the second, so.... I don't know. Both?

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