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  • Someone forcing me into a physical experience.

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  • Someone forcing me into a change of idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Isn't physical discomfort essentially a psychological one? Nobody likes to entertain the idea of having their limbs chopped off, nor do they enjoy the torment that missing limbs bring.
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    Orwell chuckles at the poll, and the op. Which is strange seeing how they're explained ain't interconnected.

    If the thought police is pointing a gun against my head, rape seems like the more reasonable offer. My anus will recover where my brain won't.

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    Ok, so when I read the questions, my initial reaction on what I'd reject more was forcing a change of idea, so that's how I voted.

    Now that I've skimmed the rest of the thread... have to say, when I read 'forcing into a physical experience' I didn't want to do, my mind didn't even go in the direction of torture/rape/etc. I guess I was thinking more generally, more benignly.

    I was thinking of an ex-boyfriend I had a long while ago, and some of his subtle manipulations. I even hate to use the word manipulation to characterize it, because he may not have been doing it with intent; it just came across that way to me, so that's how I'm describing it. I just constantly felt like he was trying to change my inner workings, my core self, that I was really flawed in some core sense. It was extremely disconcerting and stressful; really made me question myself and enter a full state of self-doubt. On the other hand, any new 'physical experiences'... whether it be go to a restaurant I wasn't really that keen on, or do something else more sensory-related-uncomfortable, wasn't disconcerting to my core self, in the same way. I didn't bristle and 'reject' in the same almost raw/protective sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Ok, so when I read the questions, my initial reaction on what I'd reject more was forcing a change of idea, so that's how I voted.

    Now that I've skimmed the rest of the thread... have to say, when I read 'forcing into a physical experience' I didn't want to do, my mind didn't even go in the direction of torture/rape/etc. I guess I was thinking more generally, more benignly.
    All this, exactly. Feel the same way too. I'd rather be forced to try a new physical experience I'm unwilling to engage in than be browbeaten into changing an opinion. Of course, neither is pleasant but if push came to shove, that's what I would choose.

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    Well, with all these first posts in mind, I suppose I can say that I did mean peer pressure. I couldn't think of how to word it.

    With this in mind, I was approaching the idea as:

    1. The first as someone making you bungee-jump, smoke pot, drink, sexual experience... Of course it is not that they do, their tactic is to pressure mentally. Yes it is still mental, but it isn't a change in perspective.

    2. Wherein this second is trying to get you to shift into an unwanted perspective. (like a change in religious view)

    Oh, and for those who don't like the mutual exclusion. I wouldn't get anywhere if I added the "sometimes". Comb through your life and search for the greatest trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momental View Post

    1. The first as someone making you bungy-jump, smoke pot, drink, sexual experience... Of course it is not that they do, there tactic is to bully mentally. Yes it is still mental, but it isn't a change in perspective.
    I've done those things willingly. More or less. Not my idea of physical bullying. Physical bullying is like... being locked into a shed with a psychotic ex-convict, who seems to just want a "friend" to rant to.. and you're like "Ooookkay dude.. wtf? Nice story. Gotta go".. but he blocks the door and rants more, and gets buthhurt about your discomfort. Then you start thinking if it's just some bad joke, or if you should grab one of the tools and stab him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momental View Post
    1. The first as someone making you bungee-jump, smoke pot, drink, sexual experience... Of course it is not that they do, their tactic is to pressure mentally. Yes it is still mental, but it isn't a change in perspective.

    2. Wherein this second is trying to get you to shift into an unwanted perspective. (like a change in religious view)
    For me.. I prefer pressure into an unwanted perspective, man. I come across or even actively seek out ideas that I end up accepting or rejecting (either immediately or after some deliberation) all the time anyway.


    edit: dammit, I answered the opposite question. I'd reject 1 more than 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momental View Post
    Well, with all these first posts in mind, I suppose I can say that I did mean peer pressure. I couldn't think of how to word it.

    With this in mind, I was approaching the idea as:

    1. The first as someone making you bungee-jump, smoke pot, drink, sexual experience... Of course it is not that they do, their tactic is to pressure mentally. Yes it is still mental, but it isn't a change in perspective.

    2. Wherein this second is trying to get you to shift into an unwanted perspective. (like a change in religious view)

    Oh, and for those who don't like the mutual exclusion. I wouldn't get anywhere if I added the "sometimes". Comb through your life and search for the greatest trend.
    In that case...

    If I have to pick one, I think I'd reject the second one the most.

    Neither of these should be forced but I think perspective changes are potentially more far reaching in most cases. For certain specific instances I'd probably reject 1 over 2, but there are probably more possible instances where I'd reject 2 before 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momental View Post
    Well, with all these first posts in mind, I suppose I can say that I did mean peer pressure. I couldn't think of how to word it.

    With this in mind, I was approaching the idea as:

    1. The first as someone making you bungee-jump, smoke pot, drink, sexual experience... Of course it is not that they do, their tactic is to pressure mentally. Yes it is still mental, but it isn't a change in perspective.

    2. Wherein this second is trying to get you to shift into an unwanted perspective. (like a change in religious view)
    It is far easier (and safer) for me to entertain an unwanted perspective than an unwelcome physical experience. If I reject it after trying it out, there is less risk of harm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    The first would be some sort of assault or torture. The second sounds either impossible or trivial.

    So clearly the first would be more objectionable.
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    Depending on the context. I believe it is more likely I'll reject something physically forced on me, than a psychological one. Severity of scenarios are to be weighed.

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