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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    It makes people angry and scared to accept thoughts that implicitly question their understanding of reality.

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    Butthurt = you are too sensitive, dumbass.

    Troll = causing problems on purpose.

    Some people troll and others call them out on it. Sometime people incorrectly label trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie View Post
    Butthurt = you are too sensitive, dumbass.

    Troll = causing problems on purpose.

    Some people troll and others call them out on it. Sometime people incorrectly label trolls.

    yes thank you, but why?
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    In the legitimate cases and not the over reactions it's usually because it is a highly controversial statement delivered in a challenging or demeaning way that provokes response.

    People especially question this when someone comes up with an opinion, they are nasty about it, and then they refuse to discuss it further.

    In some people's minds if someone posts something controversial and inflammatory, and subsequently refuses to enter meaningful dialog, then their purpose must be to be controversial and inflammatory. This excludes random venting and mostly pointed at apparent attempts at discussion and then going on to undermine the discussion.

    Edit: or put more simply, things that are vapid or aren't followed by meaningful attempts at dialog, and may be only followed by stronger reiterations of the statement/opinion often get labelled as trolling (sometimes wrongly so) because it doesn't seem to have any value or purpose other than upsetting people.
    This, pretty much hit the nail on the head.

    Also, I'd like to once again thank the Internet for introducing the word "butthurt" into my life. It's been years and it still makes me chuckle
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    Good trolling creates the best threads on message boards.

    Bad trolling is far, far more common though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    The thought process behind equating unpopular opinions and trolling is something like, "Surely, this guy can't hold that opinion. He must be trying to bait us."

    When, in reality, trolling is all about the nature of the delivery.
    This right here.

    Trolls are created not because of an opinion, unpopular opinions, or even heated opinions.

    Trolls do so to mock, anger/irate, or "blah blah blah" on purpose (possibly out of the joy of it.) An example of a type of troll on the forums would be a grammar nazi who specifically posts on a thread just to correct your grammar.

    Sometimes, the person in question who is being trolled don't know or that they really don't care.

    So there is that distinction between actually being butthurt or actual trolling.

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    "Troll" isn't necessarily used as an insult, it's more descriptive and an accusation. Like "you're messing with me, get outta here!" Sometimes people can get exasperated and say "you must be trolling because no one intelligent/with common sense/in their right mind/serious/etc." would say that. That's the only time someone would throw out troll because they're frustrated or want to insult you. Otherwise, it's used because someone really believes you are just messing with people for sprinkles and giggles.

    If someone calls you that and you really weren't trying to derail or insult or what not, you can look over what you said again and see where the person would've gotten the impression that you were trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    yes thank you, but why?
    Why do people incorrectly label others as trolls?

    People do this because they believe their powers of logic and reasoning are not flawed. With this mindset, they might think someone who repetitively disagrees and refuses to conform to their (perfectly rational) argument no matter how much they repeat it is a troll. Obviously they might vocalize this opinion once they give up on trying to win them over via the debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Why do people incorrectly label others as trolls?

    People do this because they believe their powers of logic and reasoning are not flawed. With this mindset, they might think someone who repetitively disagrees and refuses to conform to their (perfectly rational) argument no matter how much they repeat it is a troll. Obviously they might vocalize this opinion once they give up on trying to win them over via the debate.
    That is going to be the case sometimes. In other situations there is going to be someone who insists upon an opinion, and arguing for an opinion, that is controversial and unpalatable (hence, putting a greater burden of proof on them), while using a lack of intellectual honesty to escape any difficult counter-arguments. I think we all know this happens and can think of people on the forum who tend to do this?

    Under a strict definition, the troll has to not believe what they are saying and is only presenting their false opinion to anger and irritate. But Ill still call people from the paragraph above trolls, its a quick way of saying "you do this for attention and are not arguing fairly", in a similar way to a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancynobullets View Post
    That is going to be the case sometimes. In other situations there is going to be someone who insists upon an opinion, and arguing for an opinion, that is controversial and unpalatable (hence, putting a greater burden of proof on them), while using a lack of intellectual honesty to escape any difficult counter-arguments. I think we all know this happens and can think of people on the forum who tend to do this?

    Under a strict definition, the troll has to not believe what they are saying and is only presenting their false opinion to anger and irritate. But Ill still call people from the paragraph above trolls, its a quick way of saying "you do this for attention and are not arguing fairly", in a similar way to a troll.




    ps: Couldnt resist! Although it is a bit of a flawed moment since we weren't arguing and you aren't angry lol.
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