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    Default Mental malleability in preferences

    Through times we often develop thoughts about how we are as an individual, as if it were a solid component. Scientific for one to say. The mind holds an interesting facet in that it is not seen, and it is controlled by temptation and instinct. Our desires have been proven to change over time and then we often hold two differing thoughts on it.
    One that we have biologically grown and our biological state dictates change in our subconscious preferences. And two that we have mentally been stimulated with external stimuli developing a tolerance to an eventual change in preference over time.

    I hold an intuitive presumption that it is universally accepted that an individual can develop a preference to certain things over time.
    A small anecdote used by permission of prplchknz.
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    I'll try anything a minimum of 50 times before i decide i don't like it, except grits are nasty no matter how many times you try it
    These changes in bias are sometimes even consciously chosen through associative experience. The thought and point I like to entertain is how malleable these change in preferences are, and the radius in which an individual can change them.
    I follow the thought that each individual has their own levels of malleability in desire but I would also like to further it with the thought of what constitutes to that malleability. Is it psychology or neuroscience and/or genetics?

    Through thoughts of psychology would that malleability also change if one were to move from one mental state to another?

    The conscious and the unconscious mind can constantly be at odds throughout life. We can consciously adhere to being something more discomforting than who we are at a comfort level. But then that is also an adjustment of comfort. You are uncomfortable being something you find comfortable at a different place so essentially, it can be a natural response. But that full wiring holding you to do a particular something at a particular situation in all situations is the tree to who you are at that present moment.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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    I agree with you that malleability has statistically probable boundaries. I know exposure to varied experience, neorogenesis, and maintenance of brain health with omega 3s for example, or behaviors like chess or the crossword puzzle can help maintain or increase mental flexibility however, I think in part it has to do with issues of identity as well. Exposure to varied places, objects, persons, and situations helps one develop neural pathways adapted for those experiences. Why do you ask?

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    I think different thoughts are correlated with different mental states for sure. They may even be "non-affective." I know for example steadier vpmnk- in a song induces tranquility while loud sounds (over 90 db?) induce stress hormones like cortisol. For most people depression is a stress response to overstimulation.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    @Oakysage

    I agree. Not much else to say about it.

    Is it psychology or neuroscience and/or genetics?
    Yes it's one of those or several or all of them. I don't think any of those options is singled out in exclusion to the others.

    Through thoughts of psychology would that malleability also change if one were to move from one mental state to another?
    For a given interpretation of malleability, and mental state, surely it would. It's rather plain that we are more receptive in some states and less receptive in others.

    I'd also add that different people have different rates of malleability. Personally I seem to cycle much more rapidly than most. Some require more stimulation to reach a given state, and some require less to reach the same state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    I agree with you that malleability has statistically probable boundaries. I know exposure to varied experience, neorogenesis, and maintenance of brain health with omega 3s for example, or behaviors like chess or the crossword puzzle can help maintain or increase mental flexibility however, I think in part it has to do with issues of identity as well. Exposure to varied places, objects, persons, and situations helps one develop neural pathways adapted for those experiences. Why do you ask?

    P.S.

    I think different thoughts are correlated with different mental states for sure. They may even be "non-affective." I know for example steadier vpmnk- in a song induces tranquility while loud sounds (over 90 db?) induce stress hormones like cortisol. For most people depression is a stress response to overstimulation.
    Oh yes, Unique, thanks for the thoughts. I'm asking for clarity on the changeability of being changeable. My initial thought is how many degrees can a natural level of comfort for an individual change with how much they can change their preference. And what variables play into it. Genetics and Neuroscience may go against these.

    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Yes it's one of those or several or all of them. I don't think any of those options is singled out in exclusion to the others.

    For a given interpretation of malleability, and mental state, surely it would. It's rather plain that we are more receptive in some states and less receptive in others.

    I'd also add that different people have different rates of malleability. Personally I seem to cycle much more rapidly than most. Some require more stimulation to reach a given state, and some require less to reach the same state.
    Ah, I see. Yes, for the ability of how you change do you hold the thought that you can change your subconscious through a 180 degree angle to be able to upturn who you are at the moment? And can you reach a stage of natural comfort once changed so you aren't inclined to change back to who you are?

    Perhaps instead of a simple change, you would have to break apart your psychological state and rebuild it.
    If genetics plays a role, some mental structures may be constantly standing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    Ah, I see. Yes, for the ability of how you change do you hold the thought that you can change your subconscious through a 180 degree angle to be able to upturn who you are at the moment? And can you reach a stage of natural comfort once changed so you aren't inclined to change back to who you are?
    Yeah, I do it all the time. Some times mid thought! Like I said, I seem to cycle more quickly than other people. There have been times where right in the middle of a discussion I flip and see the world in a new way and I recognize it.

    Perhaps instead of a simple change, you would have to break apart your psychological state and rebuild it.
    If genetics plays a role, some mental structures may be constantly standing.
    Some times I do that, too. I think recursive introspection demands it, actually. How you see yourself effects how you see yourself and how you see seeing yourself. It's one big loopdeloop. Or a squiggle. Or a confusing mess, infinity mirror, all that good stuff.

    Also I do think some structures probably remain standing but I'm not entirely sure which ones.

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    At the age of 24 neurogenisis tends to slow down dramatically also at 26 iq begins dropping a few points a year. Dopamine plays a big role especially in the ability to stave off alzheimer's. Excercise can preserve memory. I'm not sure why some people seem to stay more malleable over time. I think the exxps are particularly good at this in some ways.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Malleability is largely dependent on the amount of rationale one is willing to develop to resist the unconscious from becoming conscious. The more rationale builds up, the longer it takes for a metamorphosis to occur. On the other hand, the endurance of the new consciousness is likely to be strengthened the more rationale is accumulated prior to the metamorphosis taking place. The more native it is for one to think bullheadedly despite a metamorphosis, the less malleable they will tend to be. Oddly, "malleability" ultimately depends on recognizing what's always been there.

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    I'm going to say that over-rationality blocks the unconscious contents from becoming conscious. If a thought is complete, it is rational. If a thought is complete, it is accepted and no inconsistency is overlooked. If a thought is completely rational, then what was once possibly a problem is now a solution; the problem no longer matters and new contents can emerge. If one retraces the rationale and chooses to see the futility in solving a problem, they then solve the problem. It's basically submitting to what one refuses to look at.

    Perhaps true humility allows for greater malleability. Lol I feel funny being all abstract while you guys are talking about omega 3 and shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    At the age of 24 neurogenisis tends to slow down dramatically also at 26 iq begins dropping a few points a year. Dopamine plays a big role especially in the ability to stave off alzheimer's. Excercise can preserve memory. I'm not sure why some people seem to stay more malleable over time. I think the exxps are particularly good at this in some ways.
    Ah yes, it's kind of like seeing if you can travel the world and live in different places then settle for a place as you age. But a lot would argue you get sent back to the place you were born in.
    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Yeah, I do it all the time. Some times mid thought! Like I said, I seem to cycle more quickly than other people. There have been times where right in the middle of a discussion I flip and see the world in a new way and I recognize it.

    Some times I do that, too. I think recursive introspection demands it, actually. How you see yourself effects how you see yourself and how you see seeing yourself. It's one big loopdeloop. Or a squiggle. Or a confusing mess, infinity mirror, all that good stuff.

    Also I do think some structures probably remain standing but I'm not entirely sure which ones.
    Ah, but do your preferences change as you do so? I imagine we're talking about suddenly liking tomatoes after not liking them beforehand. That change would take its place over a period of time and likely not within the second. Do you hold thought that you can like any object or situation you highly dislike if you work to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Malleability is largely dependent on the amount of rationale one is willing to develop to resist the unconscious from becoming conscious. The more rationale builds up, the longer it takes for a metamorphosis to occur. On the other hand, the endurance of the new consciousness is likely to be strengthened the more rationale is accumulated prior to the metamorphosis taking place. The more native it is for one to think bullheadedly despite a metamorphosis, the less malleable they will tend to be. Oddly, "malleability" ultimately depends on recognizing what's always been there.
    Very nice thoughts ginkgo. So one must expose themselves to a lack of thought to be able to change core inclinations because the mind justifies the preferences. How about attraction ginkgo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    How about attraction ginkgo?
    Attraction? Honestly, if an individual were to transcend every complication their ego harbors, they would likely become quite aimless. In a sense, they would be attracted to everything with mild intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Attraction? Honestly, if an individual were to transcend every complication their ego harbors, they would likely become quite aimless. In a sense, they would be attracted to everything with mild intensity.
    And so one can laser compress an attraction and fade off the others?

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