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    Psychology is the new religion, it's as simple as that.

    Also, being someone who actually is from a working class family where there actually were truly dysfunctional people, and I have a subsequent issue which I am in counseling for, I will honestly say that I do find a lot of spoiled, sheltered middle class brats kind of whiny and if I had the inclination, I'd like to introduce them to people with real problems.

    But I'm too busy living my life to even socialize with those people, so mostly I just mock them on the Internet.

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    damn you webmd!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    I tend not to take people literally on things like this, and play it by ear/observe. We're all capable of stumbling into lexical pitfalls from time to time.
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    Every time you somewhat reference your name, do we win a prize?

    To answer the question, yes I think the millenials are considered things like more selfish and more individualistic and also more wired than any other generation. I think you guys grew up around A LOT more pop culture noise and youth advertising aimed specifically at you than any before you so you picked up on the hyperbole and also probably grew up with A LOOOOOT more exposure to pharmaceutical/mental health talk and also advertisements.

    When I went to Taste of Chicago a few years ago, there was a big yellow tent with the words ADHD on it. There was some company giving people questionnaires that proved you had ADHD (everyone has it, you know ) and then they'd give you this neon yellow backpack that said ADHD on it and also sell your information to their pharmaceutical list or whoever they were hustling for. I thought it was hilarious. Why the hell would you walk around advertising that you have ADHD, or Eczma, or Erectile Dysfunction? But this is the day and age that we live in and the generation that came of age in it is the mirror of those changes... Or something...

    BTW, @Wolfie I was assuming by 'my generation' you meant Millenials. Or whatever comes right after that. I'm losing track these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
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    do you not feel... wolfie....

    that in your haste to whitewash a generation, you have become what you hate?


    i don't know your age, but i know many intelligent, bright young adults (i'm assuming you're speaking of young adults). you're probably just abnormally cynical about the human condition for your age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    do you not feel... wolfie....
    that in your haste to whitewash a generation, you have become what you hate?
    If you're just referring to the opening post (I haven't read the others she might have written), how is she supposed to ask the question? It's not she called them all "narcissists", she just said people are using self-diagnostic terms as if they are actual diagnoses, where in reality people are just mislabeling themselves.

    There's actually some harm in this, I think, in terms of people labeling themselves in categories, in terms of having bad tendencies they feel they can't fix because they are "OCD" or "narcissists" or whatever elese, and in terms of treating people with serious, true forms of those syndromes with respect rather than just sloughing them off.

    (For example, being "clinically depressed" is not just "being sad," so when people mislabel their own sad periods as actual depression, then they tend to expect people who are clinically depressed to "just get over it" and not understand how much more SEVERE a REAL diagnosis is.)

    i don't know your age, but i know many intelligent, bright young adults (i'm assuming you're speaking of young adults). you're probably just abnormally cynical about the human condition for your age.
    I don't know your age, but I think I'm probably a lot older than you, and I found her question legitimate rather than cynical.

    I think the Internet does have something to do with it -- basically a bunch of knowledge without the real-life context to understand what particular problems actually LOOK like in real life, coupled with people's desires to label themselves and their personality/characteristics in shorthand for easy summarization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    If you're just referring to the opening post (I haven't read the others she might have written), how is she supposed to ask the question? It's not she called them all "narcissists", she just said people are using self-diagnostic terms as if they are actual diagnoses, where in reality people are just mislabeling themselves.

    There's actually some harm in this, I think, in terms of people labeling themselves in categories, in terms of having bad tendencies they feel they can't fix because they are "OCD" or "narcissists" or whatever elese, and in terms of treating people with serious, true forms of those syndromes with respect rather than just sloughing them off.

    (For example, being "clinically depressed" is not just "being sad," so when people mislabel their own sad periods as actual depression, then they tend to expect people who are clinically depressed to "just get over it" and not understand how much more SEVERE a REAL diagnosis is.)



    I don't know your age, but I think I'm probably a lot older than you, and I found her question legitimate rather than cynical.

    I think the Internet does have something to do with it -- basically a bunch of knowledge without the real-life context to understand what particular problems actually LOOK like in real life, coupled with people's desires to label themselves and their personality/characteristics in shorthand for easy summarization.

    i just feel like it's a question that could have been repeated throughout all of history, albeit in differing context.

    i don't know, maybe i lack depth.


    sigh, sorry being a jerk, wolfie.

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    If they mean it in jest, fine.

    If they really have the condition, fine.

    If they take some damn responsibility for their condition (or 'condition') and refuse to use it as an excuse--or, hell, even embrace it or turn it into a strength--great.

    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    i just feel like it's a question that could have been repeated throughout all of history, albeit in differing context.
    I'm inclined to believe this, but I don't have anything to back it up. I'd be pretty damn certain that people have referred to themselves as alcoholics, insomniacs, or poor throughout history, though.

    I'd love to learn more about self-loathing through the ages

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    If they mean it in jest, fine.

    If they really have the condition, fine.

    If they take some damn responsibility for their condition (or 'condition') and refuse to use it as an excuse--or, hell, even embrace it or turn it into a strength--great.


    I'm inclined to believe this, but I don't have anything to back it up. I'd be pretty damn certain that people have referred to themselves as alcoholics, insomniacs, or poor throughout history, though.

    I'd love to learn more about self-loathing through the ages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think the Internet does have something to do with it -- basically a bunch of knowledge without the real-life context to understand what particular problems actually LOOK like in real life, coupled with people's desires to label themselves and their personality/characteristics in shorthand for easy summarization.
    You just outlined the problem with anything exposed to the internet.

    This theory is often a great example of this same warping effect. Of course it also goes on in real life as well. But it is easier to see on the internet.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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