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    I don't have experience, but i wouldn't laugh i don't think. though sometimes i stare at normal people so really me staring out you cuz you have ds does not translate into omg you freak of nature die die die die die
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Yeah, it's interesting. It's startling when I understand someone more by how they say things than what is said, bypassing language barriers. However, it's also startling to see a person maimed by autism or some other sort of debilitation when I'm suddenly forced to see our common trait; we're just trying to get by. It's even more humbling than watching a fully functioning bacteria move or a wild animal operate on pure instinct.

    Of course many people re-calibrate their behaviors for social or otherwise practical reasons, but re-calibration follows from weirdness, and "weirdness" follows from ignorance in every case. It leads me to believe that people believe they are individualized when they are not. Not that we ought to conform for our similarities, but maybe that we can entertain the thought of being so self-aware that we can function according to the individual and the group, as John Nash was depicted saying in A Beautiful Mind in reference to The Nash Equilibrium.



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    Im sure people get shocked and scared of the unknown and don't want to be politically incorrect or accidentally rude or crude when they come across this sort of thing. A lot of subsitute teachers declined to help with special needs sections of the school--which is where I made all of my money.

    Usually though, at least with mild downs syndrome, they're cooler to hang out with than some normal people are. I'm not going to say I have a soft spot for genetically deficient or different people.. I just really don't think much on the subject. If they're cool enough to hang out with, I hang out with them. If they're beyond normal human interaction, I either humor them the same way I humor children or I empathize and take some consideration for the people caring for them.

    I've found it's even harder to care for someone who doesn't immediately 'look' damaged. My grandmother has Alzheimers, and you wouldn't know at first glance..we've frequently been the receipients of accusing glares and judgement from strangers in restaurants and shops for having to be firm with my grandmother about things like not eating food that can kill her.
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    No, I don't think they are funny looking, in the "haha" sense. They look different from other people in a clear pattern, but I wouldn't call that funny looking. Sort of like race, or very short people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darya View Post
    First, there was no chance or a medical technology existed for the expecting mothers( especial;y 30 yrs ago) to know that are pergnant with someone with DS,... Also, can you honestly say that we have the right to do that??
    You didn't ask me specifically, but yes. And technology these days can usually detect DS quite early in pregnancy (within reasonable abortion guidelines), although some people don't have the desire for or the access to these tests.

    If the answer is Yes, what if there was a technology that would enable the expecting parents to know whether or not they were having a child who will grow up to be a narcassitst,... would you then say they should also abort their child????


    BTW I am in no ways equatting people with DS with narcassists since they are lovely and kind..
    DS is a disability associated with health problems and presents many obstacles for the individual and his/her caregivers - narcissism is not really an accurate comparison. Dwarfism or deafness or even autism would be a better comparison, since some people (afflicted or not) see it as a disability and others (afflicted or not) see it as a different but perfectly fine way of being. Although I'd put DS further on the "disability" scale than any of those three (other than maybe severe autism), since it affects cognitive processes and prevents independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darya View Post
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    ... despite all my parent's efforts to the contrary and although I could and probably would (about the role of intellect in people's lifes, what makes us human, subjective and objective aspects of quality of life, my own subjective values, the pros and cons of those standards, what I would do if I had a child with a mental disability, what I would do and how guilty I would feel if it turned out I couldn't emotionally connect to them enough because of the lacking mental connection, etc.) So yes, they can trigger uncomfortable thoughts and feelings.
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    So can you make a mental connection with an intelligent person who despite his/her intelligence chooses to be lazy coach potato with no dreams, aspriation and motivation, using parents' money and others' to survive, ...while intellectualizing and rationalizing his laziness... ?? love to hear your response.
    Sure, probably. Why shouldn't I?

    That does not mean that I have to condone their every action or choice. I have friends with different values and different lifestyles from my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Sure, probably. Why shouldn't I?

    That does not mean that I have to condone their every action or choice. I have friends with different values and different lifestyles from my own.
    Although I have befriended people from different cultures, race, sexual oriention,.... I can not imagine to be able to develop deep mental connection with someone who has distinctively different value system than mine..( i.e prostitue, a theif, or some one who has no shame in taking advantage of others... ( i am not suggesting I have no flaws)

    Wouldnt you say that our mental functioning or mentallity to some extent create our personality, life choices and our behavior twords others??

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    Wooooa...we moved on from a slob without ambition to criminals now? That would probably not be my social circle.

    Anyway, different types of people have different priorities and while I feel most at home with people of a similar social class and educational background, etc, politics or religion don't really matter even though I love to debate these issues. I don't have to agree with you to enjoy your company as long as you are mentally stimulating. That's what I was referring to.

    It doesn't surprise me though that values and life choices play a more important role for an INFJ than for an INTP. Part of this forum's purpose is to help understand and accept these differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Im sure people get shocked and scared of the unknown and don't want to be politically incorrect or accidentally rude or crude when they come across this sort of thing. A lot of subsitute teachers declined to help with special needs sections of the school--which is where I made all of my money.

    Usually though, at least with mild downs syndrome, they're cooler to hang out with than some normal people are. I'm not going to say I have a soft spot for genetically deficient or different people.. I just really don't think much on the subject. If they're cool enough to hang out with, I hang out with them. If they're beyond normal human interaction, I either humor them the same way I humor children or I empathize and take some consideration for the people caring for them.

    I've found it's even harder to care for someone who doesn't immediately 'look' damaged. My grandmother has Alzheimers, and you wouldn't know at first glance..we've frequently been the receipients of accusing glares and judgement from strangers in restaurants and shops for having to be firm with my grandmother about things like not eating food that can kill her.
    Ummm.... thats a great point, having a role of care taker of someone who does not appear to be a person with" special needs" seem to be more challenging. I

    I tend to have an issue with the term "damged" after all, are not we all damaged somewhow, maybe emotionally or spritualily,...

    I believe that when life cuicumstances place you in the posotions to be around people with "special needs",( especially if you are related by blood) its likely that you develop more sympothy towards people w other specialy needs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darya View Post
    So I was wondering ,how do you guys ( honestly) react when you see a person with Down Syndrome ? (i.e on media, in person,..etc)??
    I'm respectful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darya View Post
    First, there was no chance or a medical technology existed for the expecting mothers( especial;y 30 yrs ago) to know that are pergnant with someone with DS,...
    Also, the parents quite likely had the baby after the recommended age. I don't assume my reaction is always justified, I'm just being honest. I have some spartan values that I don't expect many people to relate to.
    Also, can you honestly say that we have the right to do that??
    Yes. That used to be no-brainer in the past. It would actually be a improvement from that, since we don't have to wait until the fetus develops a consciousness anymore.
    If the answer is Yes, what if there was a technology that would enable the expecting parents to know whether or not they were having a child who will grow up to be a narcassitst,... would you then say they should also abort their child????
    I assume you mean narcissistic. And if by narcissistic you mean someone who actually has the disorder, the answer is definitely yes. I used to have a boss with that disorder and I'm confident that the world would become a better place without that kind of people. In fact, NPD is much more harmful to society than DS.
    BTW I am in no ways equatting people with DS with narcassists since they are lovely and kind..
    Point is people with DS are basically a dead weight to the society. They are born to be treated with pity or contempt for the rest of their lives. We could solve that.
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