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    Quote Originally Posted by KMCE View Post


    For me (ISTJ) it's enough to have a great body, awesome sex life, a few close friends, a stable high-paying job, a house of my own, and a fat bank account. Life really ain't that complicated. My goals are clear, and there's not much to worry about. It's kinda hard to make me depressed since I know where I am going.

    Maybe you are my opposite so you think otherwise. Your needs are probably quite different from mine.


    well I don't have a great body, but my sex life is not lacking at all... it's actually quite great I have a few close friends and a good giggle buddy, my husband has a stable well paying job and works very hard for us. We 'own' a house, the bank account is alright.... yet depression is there.... damn Fi overwhelming my Ne *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMCE View Post
    For me (ISTJ) it's enough to have a great body, awesome sex life, a few close friends, a stable high-paying job, a house of my own, and a fat bank account. Life really ain't that complicated. My goals are clear, and there's not much to worry about. It's kinda hard to make me depressed since I know where I am going.

    Maybe you are my opposite so you think otherwise. Your needs are probably quite different from mine.
    Heh, I can speak from the above and say that it isn't enough. Needs do differ greatly... as a strong NP, I can tell you that one of the major factors in my life is needing something new. I don't care what it is, but I need new, I need interesting... I need cool.

    I'll jump from cooking to dancing, from video games to drawing, from reading to movies... but the moment I stop, I can fall into depression pretty fast.

    What you find comfortable... I find stressful. The concept of clear goals and everything? That's not natural to me. I have very strong goals, but I had to hand them over to my GF to keep them in check... otherwise I get a bit flighty. I'm also well ahead of achieving them, but all that happens is that I stack even more goals on top of it... push farther, refine further... I can't sit still and just achieve anything, I have to be active on working on it. But as above, I get bored working on the same thing... hence flighty!

    (All of the above is assuming a non-chemical, non-tragic event which supercedes type and the like.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    well I don't have a great body, but my sex life is not lacking at all... it's actually quite great I have a few close friends and a good giggle buddy, my husband has a stable well paying job and works very hard for us. We 'own' a house, the bank account is alright.... yet depression is there.... damn Fi overwhelming my Ne *sigh*
    I dont think that depression has anything to do with Fi...

    more along the lines of ENFP not finding the right balance in life... the NF demanding the sense of meaning and intrinsic purpose in life... yet because the Ne is so much stronger than Fi..the Fi just cant yield it to you..whereas Fi.. as an introverted and person centered faculty..actually does the best job of all functions to help you find meaning in life... but for an NF... not being in close enough of an affinity with it can be a serious problem..will be lots of inner demons to tame..

    Generally..satisfying physical needs being so high up ( as many of those that KMCE listed)... is a property of being a Sensor... and he is a primary S... your S is last (inferior)..so having those needs met for you would yield much less satisfaction than for someone who had S higher up the function order..
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    I suppose what I was meaning is that my Fi isn't fulfilled in my life. I feel (go figure) that it's empty and not noticed. Also I guess I feel that it's not accepted either, that it's more or less mocked. Everything in my life seems to boil down to well if you weren't so emotional you could get over it.... *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    I suppose what I was meaning is that my Fi isn't fulfilled in my life. I feel (go figure) that it's empty and not noticed. Also I guess I feel that it's not accepted either, [B]that it's more or less mocked. Everything in my life seems to boil down to well if you weren't so emotional you could get over it.... *sigh*
    Oh no.. quite the opposite is true... the better you get with the Fi the more meaning there will be in your life..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Oh no.. quite the opposite is true... the better you get with the Fi the more meaning there will be in your life..
    oh I see

    yet I don't feel like it's respected so I stifle it hhhmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    oh I see

    yet I don't feel like it's respected so I stifle it hhhmmm

    It doesnt matter if its not respected by others... it only matters that its respected by you because its so fundamental to who you are and what you will be... just stick to it.. as an NF you will render yourself a great service by trying to focus on your own inner task and just live your own life as opposed to be influenced so much by what others want...

    This is why life for an NF can be quite a challenge...they long for a coherent inner identity and internally focused vision to live out..yet they cant help but cater to the needs of others..and whats more... they dont find it enough to just take care of their own quest for meaning in life which is unfathomably hard as it is.. they also take it their responsibility to help others find meaning in their lives...and in effect end up carrying many burdens that were undeserved...

    And here is seemingly an unrelated passage to what you may be going through..but I think this is an excellent allegory for the picture that we've unwittingly painted in this thread...no more needs to be said as everything that needed to be will be in the paragraph below..

    ''Somewhere in the 1600s a man who could not see, sat down to write what he thought would be the greatest poem in human history. He said it would include, in his words, ''things yet unattempted in prose or rhyme.'' It is the view of the modern world that he achieved just that. His poem, the paradise Lost, is considered the greatest epic in human history. Few poems take on such an enormous theme as Paradise Lost, a theme that is not less than the origin of evil in itself. The man who took on this ambitious challenge, and created a classic in the process, is a man who led a life of immense struggle, loss and sacrifice. In a sense, John Milton's life was a search for paradise-a life in which the poet became the poem.''
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    Thanks for the interesting observations thru far. Maverick I'm looking up those links and For...Jennifer I think that you and my INTP friend are asking similar questions about causes. In continuing the conversation with the INTP he asked another questions. The following is part of another im conversation:

    him (10:35:53 PM): my point is that regardless of the cause, depression has a physical effect on the body
    me(10:36:35 PM): ok...so depressions physical effect makes for deeper depression...
    him (10:37:16 PM): right but for that matter.. how do we know the depression wasnt caused by a previous deficiency in the physical body
    me(10:38:11 PM): hmmmm..well if I wanted to go there I'd say. Depression is caused by our lack of perfection...getting worse because we're further away from it. But in the end wouldn't that be chemical?
    me (10:38:48 PM): and in advance would you mind if I used what you just said...last two im's.
    him (10:39:08 PM): sure
    him (10:40:26 PM): saying its chemical can be misleading.. its still a physical process
    me (10:40:29 PM): so moving away from perfection...physical deficiency is cause of depression (and other mental illnesses) thus bring body to ultimate health state (relatively) and we are cured?
    me (10:40:41 PM): ok i get that.
    him(10:42:06 PM): idk
    him (10:43:03 PM): but like she said.. when she eats better and exercises she feels better mentally
    me (10:43:22 PM): I think that can be said for anyone...even those not experiencing depression.
    him (10:43:31 PM): yea thats how it works
    me(10:43:38 PM): thank you.
    him(10:43:58 PM): well most people dont seem to make that connection
    me(10:44:51 PM): ah..most people. anyway...I think that while it's true that eating better and exercise is going to help. It's one little piece in a huge puzzle.
    me (10:45:23 PM): there is so much more to depression and so many forms it takes. I suppose it's easy to say it's multi causal..cause it is
    me (10:45:37 PM): and just like any thing you do
    me (10:45:56 PM): eating, exercise....you can't just
    him (10:46:06 PM): im really asking this.. how many people are born depressed?
    me (10:46:07 PM): do one thing and neglect the other and expect it to be all good.
    me (10:46:39 PM): That's something good to research I don't know. I do know there are more subdued babies...for whatever reason. Could that be type (so early..doubt it)

    Anyway we were asking many questions...is depression routed in a physical cause, are people born depressed, can depression be linked to type or use of certain cog processes. I didn't want to put in the entire im but he asked these question also:
    him (11:10:08 PM): i wonder how many people got depressed before the mid 1800s
    (these are not in order some of the im is taken out..focusing on the questions. Started discussing rise of the middle class and then this was asked)
    him (11:17:13 PM): yea and were the middle class depressed before the industrial revolution and processed foods
    me (11:17:42 PM): ah it all comes back to...good beginning of a thesis....
    me (11:17:59 PM): go for it and let me submit it. :\
    him (11:18:16 PM): i really think theres something there
    him (11:19:57 PM): assuming they are above the poverty line.. do you think the working poor have as many stresses as the middle class?
    him(11:21:24 PM): the middle class has many stresses.. its harder to maintain a lifestyle than it is to merely survive
    him (11:21:34 PM): then theres all the social stresses

    I'm sorry I'm being so greedy for your thoughts but...they've been interesting so far...more please.
    for my life is slowed up by thought and the need to understand what I am living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I suspect that depression is a combination of several factors one of which is biological predisposition. One's circumstances and experiences determine whether depression is triggered or not.

    *Warning: anecdotal crap*
    For myself, I know I have a predisposition but since my two former biggest stressors (poverty and my mother) have been removed, my struggle with depression has been greatly reduced. Lack of stressors alone would not be enough, but I feel spiritually connected to God and emotionally connected to my husband and children and that fills up my purpose void pretty well. I still get some SAD going on, but nothing like I used to get.
    Cafe...I'm asking this question in relation to something I discussed last night with the INTP in the im in the op. You stated that now that your stressors (mom and money) have been removed your depression has been greatly reduced...have you experienced any stresses from trying to maintain the financial position you've achieved or depression from fear of going back to that bad financial situation?
    for my life is slowed up by thought and the need to understand what I am living.

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