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Enneagram as JCF

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I believe there are many overlaps between enneagram and the Jungian Cognitive Functions. Perhaps others could note the correlations and we could begin a discussion about how they can be seen as transformations of each other.

1 sounds very IJ, Ti, or perhaps Fi
2 sounds ery exfj or perhaps ixfp socionics Fe function
3 perhaps exxp, Se, perhaps exfx or esxx
4 very ixfx especially ixfp or xnxp or perhaps Ni and Fi
5 very ixtx, Te as a non primary but conscious function


I'm sure others could elaborate much more perhaps including type relationships as well

This also begs certain questions. If one can change enneatype between points of growth and points of .. negativity perhaps types can be cycled as well under different stressors
 

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the Enneagram/ JCF correlation according to Riso & Hudson is as such:
1 - Te
2 - Fe
3 - none(!??!)
4 - Ni
5 - Ti
6 - Fi
7 - Se
8 - Ne
9 - Si

I agree with most of these except for 4/6, IMO the JCF should be switched for those two types. And also WTF is with 3 not having a correlating JCF? That's just weak IMO.

Also, if 4 does seem Ni & Fi-ish (and I agree), I wonder why there aren't more ISFP 4s? Perhaps it's because ISFPs are just plain underrepresented?
 

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There is one school of thought that says you can look at the two as overlapping circles, with common traits in the overlapping center. The more overlapping they are, the easier it is as the person is not torn between two different ways of being. Those in an unhealthy state are living towards the unhealthy side of their enneagram type and not functioning as their balanced MBTI type. As you move towards the balanced MBTI type (that is your natural state of being) and away from the unhealthy side of enneagram, you become more like yourself.
 

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I'm not sure I'd agree with either of those. I do see overlaps, but I think they're a) not direct correlations like Riso & Hudson and b) don't imply positive or negative ways of being per se.
 

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the Enneagram/ JCF correlation according to Riso & Hudson is as such:
1 - Te
2 - Fe
3 - none(!??!)
4 - Ni
5 - Ti
6 - Fi
7 - Se
8 - Ne
9 - Si

I agree with most of these except for 4/6, IMO the JCF should be switched for those two types. And also WTF is with 3 not having a correlating JCF? That's just weak IMO.

Also, if 4 does seem Ni & Fi-ish (and I agree), I wonder why there aren't more ISFP 4s? Perhaps it's because ISFPs are just plain underrepresented?
8 as Ne? No way! 8 is WAY too "directive" (while Ne, or NP in the Interaction styles, is the opposite!). I would say 8 is more Te, while 1 seems like it as well. 3 would also seem like Se. 7 could also be ENP.
 

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Not sure about this one. JCF is supposedly about cognitive preferences, while Enneagram is about the way certain neuroses affect you. Perhaps certain JCF types are more inclined to develop certain Enneagram fixations, but I would be surprised if it went any further.
 

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1 - Si
2 - Fe
3 - Ne
4 - Ni
5 - Ti
6 - none
7 - Se
8 - Te
9 - Fi
 

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I think Type 1 correlates pretty much with any type that ends with J. Specifically Fe or Te-dominant types.
 

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Also, if 4 does seem Ni & Fi-ish (and I agree), I wonder why there aren't more ISFP 4s? Perhaps it's because ISFPs are just plain underrepresented?

I agree....I also think there should be more ISFJs....I like ISFJs...

:angry:
 

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8 as Ne? No way! 8 is WAY too "directive" (while Ne, or NP in the Interaction styles, is the opposite!). I would say 8 is more Te, while 1 seems like it as well. 3 would also seem like Se. 7 could also be ENP.

Yes about 8. Sometimes 1. But you should have just said that 7 correlates with Ne. Riso's 7 description shines forth with Ne possibilities. And why no JCF correlation with 3 as someone else noted? Because he conveniently believes it to be a chameleon type.
 

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Yes about 8. Sometimes 1. But you should have just said that 7 correlates with Ne. Riso's 7 description shines forth with Ne possibilities. And why no JCF correlation with 3 as someone else noted? Because he conveniently believes it to be a chameleon type.
I guess they wanted one function-attitude for each type, so one was left over. I've seen others question 3 as a type as well, but I'm not sure why.
What at least one Enneagram theorist did was to add a new function-attitude, called "extraverted Moving" (as in Karen Horney's scales), that corresponds to 3.
 

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8 as Ne? No way! 8 is WAY too "directive" (while Ne, or NP in the Interaction styles, is the opposite!). I would say 8 is more Te, while 1 seems like it as well. 3 would also seem like Se. 7 could also be ENP.

I think R&H's attempt to tie Enneagram with JCF is kind of a fail in general, although some of it kind of makes sense, for example, 2 with Fe.
I would agree that Ne alone isn't directive enough to be fairly correlated with 8, and it would make more sense when combined with Te. But they gotta dump a cognitive function somewhere I think lol.

7 fits both Se and Ne imo, and incidentally most 7s are ExxPs.
 

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I think

1 IXXJ
2 Fe
3 EXXP
4 infO
5 INTX
6 ??
7 Ne
8 ESTX/EXTJ
9 INFJ/ISFP
 

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The correlation I like best is David Boje:

http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/teaching/490_psl/step_9.htm

E Common thread (Expressive/Responsive interpretation)
1 J (ambiverted, low R)
2 EF (extraverted, high R ("Sanguine" social image)
3 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
4 IF, [en]F mostly introverted, high R ("Supine" social image)
5 IT introverted, low R ("Melancholy" social image)
6 EF/IF ambidextrous E/I; high R, Supine or Sanguine social image
7 EP extraverted; high R ("Sanguine" sociability temperament)
8 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
9 I[e]S[n]F[t]P[j] introverted and extraverted; low and high R (all-around moderate - Phlegmatic)

Case in point, ENFP often comes up as 2, and they are not Fe, but may resemble it because of the general E + F, regardless of the orientation of F. So that seems to be what 2 corresponds to more.
 

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I guess they wanted one function-attitude for each type, so one was left over. I've seen others question 3 as a type as well, but I'm not sure why.
What at least one Enneagram theorist did was to add a new function-attitude, called "extraverted Moving" (as in Karen Horney's scales), that corresponds to 3.

Then there must be an Introverted Moving type?
 

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The correlation I like best is David Boje:

http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/teaching/490_psl/step_9.htm

E Common thread (Expressive/Responsive interpretation)
1 J (ambiverted, low R)
2 EF (extraverted, high R ("Sanguine" social image)
3 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
4 IF, [en]F mostly introverted, high R ("Supine" social image)
5 IT introverted, low R ("Melancholy" social image)
6 EF/IF ambidextrous E/I; high R, Supine or Sanguine social image
7 EP extraverted; high R ("Sanguine" sociability temperament)
8 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
9 I[e]S[n]F[t]P[j] introverted and extraverted; low and high R (all-around moderate - Phlegmatic)

Case in point, ENFP often comes up as 2, and they are not Fe, but may resemble it because of the general E + F, regardless of the orientation of F. So that seems to be what 2 corresponds to more.

Well, one has to wonder how much effort Riso put into building his theory on top of other theories in order to create a nice fat system out of something that started out as one-page type descriptions passed from person to person back in the 1960s. It would need a lot of such help stealing (synthesizing with) other ideas such as DSM personality disorders. And I don't think he really understands Jung's types.

Thanks for clarifying the point that EF does not necessarily mean Fe. That would apply across the board, of course. That's often how I see things these days.
 
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