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    Default Enneagram as JCF

    I believe there are many overlaps between enneagram and the Jungian Cognitive Functions. Perhaps others could note the correlations and we could begin a discussion about how they can be seen as transformations of each other.

    1 sounds very IJ, Ti, or perhaps Fi
    2 sounds ery exfj or perhaps ixfp socionics Fe function
    3 perhaps exxp, Se, perhaps exfx or esxx
    4 very ixfx especially ixfp or xnxp or perhaps Ni and Fi
    5 very ixtx, Te as a non primary but conscious function


    I'm sure others could elaborate much more perhaps including type relationships as well

    This also begs certain questions. If one can change enneatype between points of growth and points of .. negativity perhaps types can be cycled as well under different stressors
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    the Enneagram/ JCF correlation according to Riso & Hudson is as such:
    1 - Te
    2 - Fe
    3 - none(!??!)
    4 - Ni
    5 - Ti
    6 - Fi
    7 - Se
    8 - Ne
    9 - Si

    I agree with most of these except for 4/6, IMO the JCF should be switched for those two types. And also WTF is with 3 not having a correlating JCF? That's just weak IMO.

    Also, if 4 does seem Ni & Fi-ish (and I agree), I wonder why there aren't more ISFP 4s? Perhaps it's because ISFPs are just plain underrepresented?
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    There is one school of thought that says you can look at the two as overlapping circles, with common traits in the overlapping center. The more overlapping they are, the easier it is as the person is not torn between two different ways of being. Those in an unhealthy state are living towards the unhealthy side of their enneagram type and not functioning as their balanced MBTI type. As you move towards the balanced MBTI type (that is your natural state of being) and away from the unhealthy side of enneagram, you become more like yourself.

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    I'm not sure I'd agree with either of those. I do see overlaps, but I think they're a) not direct correlations like Riso & Hudson and b) don't imply positive or negative ways of being per se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayness View Post
    the Enneagram/ JCF correlation according to Riso & Hudson is as such:
    1 - Te
    2 - Fe
    3 - none(!??!)
    4 - Ni
    5 - Ti
    6 - Fi
    7 - Se
    8 - Ne
    9 - Si

    I agree with most of these except for 4/6, IMO the JCF should be switched for those two types. And also WTF is with 3 not having a correlating JCF? That's just weak IMO.

    Also, if 4 does seem Ni & Fi-ish (and I agree), I wonder why there aren't more ISFP 4s? Perhaps it's because ISFPs are just plain underrepresented?
    8 as Ne? No way! 8 is WAY too "directive" (while Ne, or NP in the Interaction styles, is the opposite!). I would say 8 is more Te, while 1 seems like it as well. 3 would also seem like Se. 7 could also be ENP.
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    Not sure about this one. JCF is supposedly about cognitive preferences, while Enneagram is about the way certain neuroses affect you. Perhaps certain JCF types are more inclined to develop certain Enneagram fixations, but I would be surprised if it went any further.

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    1 - Si
    2 - Fe
    3 - Ne
    4 - Ni
    5 - Ti
    6 - none
    7 - Se
    8 - Te
    9 - Fi

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    I think Type 1 correlates pretty much with any type that ends with J. Specifically Fe or Te-dominant types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayness View Post
    Also, if 4 does seem Ni & Fi-ish (and I agree), I wonder why there aren't more ISFP 4s? Perhaps it's because ISFPs are just plain underrepresented?
    I agree....I also think there should be more ISFJs....I like ISFJs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    8 as Ne? No way! 8 is WAY too "directive" (while Ne, or NP in the Interaction styles, is the opposite!). I would say 8 is more Te, while 1 seems like it as well. 3 would also seem like Se. 7 could also be ENP.
    Yes about 8. Sometimes 1. But you should have just said that 7 correlates with Ne. Riso's 7 description shines forth with Ne possibilities. And why no JCF correlation with 3 as someone else noted? Because he conveniently believes it to be a chameleon type.
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