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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Yes about 8. Sometimes 1. But you should have just said that 7 correlates with Ne. Riso's 7 description shines forth with Ne possibilities. And why no JCF correlation with 3 as someone else noted? Because he conveniently believes it to be a chameleon type.
    I guess they wanted one function-attitude for each type, so one was left over. I've seen others question 3 as a type as well, but I'm not sure why.
    What at least one Enneagram theorist did was to add a new function-attitude, called "extraverted Moving" (as in Karen Horney's scales), that corresponds to 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    8 as Ne? No way! 8 is WAY too "directive" (while Ne, or NP in the Interaction styles, is the opposite!). I would say 8 is more Te, while 1 seems like it as well. 3 would also seem like Se. 7 could also be ENP.
    I think R&H's attempt to tie Enneagram with JCF is kind of a fail in general, although some of it kind of makes sense, for example, 2 with Fe.
    I would agree that Ne alone isn't directive enough to be fairly correlated with 8, and it would make more sense when combined with Te. But they gotta dump a cognitive function somewhere I think lol.

    7 fits both Se and Ne imo, and incidentally most 7s are ExxPs.
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    I think

    1 IXXJ
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    4 infO
    5 INTX
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    The correlation I like best is David Boje:

    http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/teac...psl/step_9.htm

    E Common thread (Expressive/Responsive interpretation)
    1 J (ambiverted, low R)
    2 EF (extraverted, high R ("Sanguine" social image)
    3 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    4 IF, [en]F mostly introverted, high R ("Supine" social image)
    5 IT introverted, low R ("Melancholy" social image)
    6 EF/IF ambidextrous E/I; high R, Supine or Sanguine social image
    7 EP extraverted; high R ("Sanguine" sociability temperament)
    8 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    9 I[e]S[n]F[t]P[j] introverted and extraverted; low and high R (all-around moderate - Phlegmatic)

    Case in point, ENFP often comes up as 2, and they are not Fe, but may resemble it because of the general E + F, regardless of the orientation of F. So that seems to be what 2 corresponds to more.
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    I see all of these overlapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    I guess they wanted one function-attitude for each type, so one was left over. I've seen others question 3 as a type as well, but I'm not sure why.
    What at least one Enneagram theorist did was to add a new function-attitude, called "extraverted Moving" (as in Karen Horney's scales), that corresponds to 3.
    Then there must be an Introverted Moving type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    The correlation I like best is David Boje:

    http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/teac...psl/step_9.htm

    E Common thread (Expressive/Responsive interpretation)
    1 J (ambiverted, low R)
    2 EF (extraverted, high R ("Sanguine" social image)
    3 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    4 IF, [en]F mostly introverted, high R ("Supine" social image)
    5 IT introverted, low R ("Melancholy" social image)
    6 EF/IF ambidextrous E/I; high R, Supine or Sanguine social image
    7 EP extraverted; high R ("Sanguine" sociability temperament)
    8 ET extraverted, low R ("Choleric" social image)
    9 I[e]S[n]F[t]P[j] introverted and extraverted; low and high R (all-around moderate - Phlegmatic)

    Case in point, ENFP often comes up as 2, and they are not Fe, but may resemble it because of the general E + F, regardless of the orientation of F. So that seems to be what 2 corresponds to more.
    Well, one has to wonder how much effort Riso put into building his theory on top of other theories in order to create a nice fat system out of something that started out as one-page type descriptions passed from person to person back in the 1960s. It would need a lot of such help stealing (synthesizing with) other ideas such as DSM personality disorders. And I don't think he really understands Jung's types.

    Thanks for clarifying the point that EF does not necessarily mean Fe. That would apply across the board, of course. That's often how I see things these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Then there must be an Introverted Moving type?
    No, there wasn't. It looks like something they just made up to fill in the 9th slot. Here's the page where this is introduced: http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/page9.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    No, there wasn't. It looks like something they just made up to fill in the 9th slot. Here's the page where this is introduced: http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/page9.html
    True, I guess introverted moving would be kind of impossible to do.
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