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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'll second that. Sensationalism shouldnt be needed to make a point.

    To be honest a lot of this rebirthing and whatever is reminiscent of the "reliving of trauma, to provide relief from repression, to resolve trauma" thinking which was around back when Freud was considering "hysteria" and "shell shock" was an illness.
    I guess the question-and perhaps since you can answer given you are in the field-is there value for a certain segment of people, to reprocess these old experiences? Some people I know seem helped, some never want to see the past again. Jung felt that psychological upheaval was needed for growth to occur. I understand what works for myself, but I often wonder if innate personality type doesnt play an enormous role in what types of therapy work best for a given individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I guess the question-and perhaps since you can answer given you are in the field-is there value for a certain segment of people, to reprocess these old experiences? Some people I know seem helped, some never want to see the past again. Jung felt that psychological upheaval was needed for growth to occur. I understand what works for myself, but I often wonder if innate personality type doesnt play an enormous role in what types of therapy work best for a given individual.
    Sometimes you need to breakdown to break through, that's true, although people process events, particularly traumatic ones, in different ways and I would say that solutions focused brief therapy has a lot to recommend it, as a generic practice with all people whatever their copeing style or strategy is when dealing with trauma.

    Living in the present and problem solving, whatever your personal history has saddled you with and sometimes that's real development deficits in terms of your emotional intelligence or cognitive functioning, of existing problems and developing consequential thinking to prevent you creating problems which can be avoided. That should be the goal of talk therapies.

    Therapies which involve sensory deprivation or other extremes are dodgy, seriously dodgy, others such as brain surgery or electro-convulsive shock therapy have something to recommend them in some instances but that's far from commonplace truthfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    I think it would have been more helpful to present less biased links in the OP-the problem is that whenever I see overly emotional appeals, I cannot help but want to be skeptical and look for the statistics and facts of the situation.

    Children dying and abusive situations are horrible and should be stopped-but I am not yet convinced that is commonly occuring? Again statistics would be helpful-how often does this type of therapy occur?

    Biased towards what? What dichotomy was presented?
    Emotions sure do get in the way of transferring information effectively and emotions also prevent the clear reception of information. You most definitely SHOULD be prompted to look for statistics and facts for yourself, there is always a bigger picture, and what with being on the internet it is quite accessible.

    I'm pretty sure this practice is NOT commonplace, and if you want statisics, you can find them, but they won't justify anything. How commonplace it is is not the point.

    There was no argument or proposal other than stop THIS, this being precisely what was linked, nothing more was presented for scrutiny. It was nothing LESS than an emotional appeal, and the point was to direct attention towards exactly what it directed them towards.

    I'll say it again, the methods used in these video's are still practiced and the information on how to perform them is widely spread and vouched for. Parenting is probably the most difficult job in the world, looking after children is impossible to fully prepare for & manage perfectly. Parents are constantly seeking help and advice on how to resolve issues that range from simply difficult to life threatening. They need HELP, and unfortunately THIS is sold as a solution, as help. Not the ONLY help, that's not what I'm saying, but it is an option. People have clearly fallen for it already and lost their children through it.
    It doesn't matter if it's commonplace, and thankfully it is not! It doesn't even matter if the basic theories are plausible. It has lead to KILLING people, in horrific, depraved ways (see SPECIFICALLY the rebirthing). LIFE IS ALL WE HAVE, we don't make it a nightmare if we can help it... we cannot afford this....
    Anyone can do research into this who has the internet. The more research, the more will be revealed about how UNJUST these practices are, and that there are actually more effective, loving, and dignified ways of dealing with difficult or dangerous children out there. I will make another thread all about that. I should have made 1 in the first place.
    @Lark The idea wasn't to concentrate on 1 aspect of therapy in order to sensationalise it, or undermine or deflect attention away from any genuine therapy. It isn't as scandalous as you want to think.
    Thank you for the helpful insight you have provided though, PLEASE continue to share your experience in this area.

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