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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestripes View Post
    i never said that. i could have been considered one myself, except there was no such concept back then in the soviet union. this is exactly why i have an issue with this. to cut a long and boring story short, i was considered “strange” as a child (i have my own suspicions as to why, but i am unsure that i would want to find out for certain) and this was made into an enormous issue. i was “special”, school was not for me, so i was to be educated at home and graduate from high school in half the time necesary for others. i am going to omit the extremes, but, f i were to define my role in this, it would be “instrument for fulfilling others’ ambitions”. i was “not supposed” to have severe headaches due to the strain. i was “not supposed” to be depressed. the fact that i still was changed nothing. everything that did not fit into the image of me as some larger-than-human genius (which i never was) was conveniently ignored. i was not supposed to have faults, and i think the same would be true for whatever desires or feelings of my own. none of it was about me.

    THIS is what i am against. again, it doesn’t happen frequently. but it does happn.

    i suppose this is a matter of perspective, really.
    Sounds like the genetically engineered hybrid of Amy Chua parenting and Special Snowflake Syndrome...


    Quote Originally Posted by bluestripes View Post
    there is at least one aspect of this that i (un)fortunately do understand: being “unusual” in some sense and having others glorify this without my consent, so they could feed on this, emotionally, and feel good about themselves by extension. this is the sort of behavior i have an issue with. and exceedingly broad labels like “indigo child” can easily serve as an enabling factor (and i have a feeling that they do, in some cases).

    i might not understand the other aspects, of course.



    i’m not sure what you mean here. i was talking about parents who idealize their children (i.e. see them not as actual human beings who possess both flaws and strengths, as we all do, but as near-infallible), then feel devastated when they discover that the reality is different from this ideal, as my parents did. you are talking about constructing a child’s strength as a possible flaw. what is the connection?
    And that reminds me waaay too much of Black Swan.

    Quote Originally Posted by bluestripes View Post
    i don’t believe in ordinary either. i am not even sure what it means. but the people i was talking about do (this is why i placed the word in inverted commas – “ordinary” in their terms, not mine). they think in dichotomies; either their child is the outright genius they want to see him/her as, or supernaturally endowed, for example, or (s)he is a nobody. there is no middle ground. if the child is not the former, they are going to jump to the conclusion that (s)he must be the latter. i have a feeling my parents are still struggling with the realization that i’m not what they supposed i was, which, to them, means i am a failure. the fact that i am not a failure by my own standards and do not see myself as such is of no consequence. my mother seems to be closest to accepting me for who i am, and to admitting that this is not necessarily negative, but it has taken us almost thirty years to arrive there.
    Yeah, pretty much this. There's a difference between "I'm special and unique in my own way" and "I'm so much better than the rabble. *sips merlot*".

    Quote Originally Posted by bluestripes View Post
    seconded. you must have been reading my mind.
    Of course I have. I'm an indigo.
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    @mrcockburn @Viridian @bluestripes
    Can you show me where in the literature etc is it stated that "Indigo" children are better than others?
    Where does it state that they do not have faults and are perfect?
    You are all projecting fucking bigstyle (or jumping on the bandwagon without looking into it).
    I already posted a quote form the crystal children website that pretty much contradicts your general views.
    Show me otherwise or i will presume it is entirely bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    mrcockburn Viridian bluestripes
    Can you show me where in the literature etc is it stated that "Indigo" children are better than others?
    Where does it state that they do not have faults and are perfect?
    You are all projecting fucking bigstyle (or jumping on the bandwagon without looking into it).
    I already posted a quote form the crystal children website that pretty much contradicts your general views.
    Show me otherwise or i will presume it is entirely bias.
    Well, you have that right... Is this enough?

    The idea was later popularized by the 1998 book The Indigo Children: The New Kids Have Arrived, written by husband and wife self-help lecturers Lee Carroll and Jan Tober. They describe the goal of indigo children to be a remaking of the world into one lacking war, trash, and processed food.[6]
    Descriptions of indigo children include the belief that they are empathetic, curious, strong-willed, independent, and often perceived by friends and family as being strange; possess a clear sense of self-definition and purpose; and also exhibit a strong inclination towards spiritual matters from early childhood. Indigo children have also been described as having a strong feeling of entitlement, or "deserving to be here." Other alleged traits include a high intelligence quotient, an inherent intuitive ability, and resistance to authority.[4][6] According to Tober and Carroll, indigo children function poorly in conventional schools due to their rejection of authority, being smarter than their teachers, and a lack of response to guilt-, fear- or manipulation-based discipline.[7]
    - From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children (and the sources cited)

    Sounds quite... messianic, if you ask me. :/

    Of course, I have nothing against people who display these traits, but... The attitude displayed by some of these proponents does kinda remind me of the N>S snobbishness displayed here in the not-too-distant past.

    If I have insulted your beliefs, GPG, I sincerely apologize.
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    1. Do you feel out of place in today's world?

    Sometimes. Who doesn't?

    2. Do you perceive the world very differently from most of the people you know?

    I like to think so. I believe everyone brings a unique perspective of the world.

    3. Do you possess a deep desire to help the world by contributing or being of service in some way?

    Yes. I think this is normal.

    4. Are you prone to insomnia, restless sleep, nightmares or difficulties falling asleep?

    Yes. I take medication for this, but it often doesn't help.

    5. Do you have difficulty conforming to the ways and norms of society?

    I feel that way sometimes. I think this is common.

    6. Do you feel frustration at the thought of leading an average life i.e. marriage, 2 children, picket white fence syndrome?

    I kind of think of that as "social programming." I believe I want a wife and kids. But I have a deep desire to be extraordinary.

    7. Are you intelligent although do not/did not necessarily achieve top grades at school?

    Not too many people consider themselves as un-intelligent. I have gotten mediocre grades in school sometimes, and sometimes the top grades.

    8. Are you very creative in the areas of art, music, science and/or technology?

    All of these? When I was younger, I was good at art. I have composed my own pieces of ameteurish music. I have spent 11 years working in technology.

    9. Do you have several on-going projects at any given time and often multi-task?

    Yeah. A lot of projects have been on the back-burner for years though.

    10. Do you have difficulty with authority: do you need to understand the reason behind what you're being asked to do?

    That's an odd way to phrase difficult with authority. Yes, I need to understand the reason behind what I'm being asked to do.

    11. Do you opt for leadership positions or working on your own rather than taking a team position?

    I have a preference for solitary work, because of the freedom that seems to offer, but do not hate teamwork.

    12. Do you have enormous empathy for others, yet are intolerant of stupidity?

    I don't know what qualifies as enormous empathy. I feel others pain. But I believe most humans do. I hate stupidity, but I am not intolerant.

    13. Have you had psychic experiences from an early age?

    I have had weird experiences (which may be termed "out of body" experiences), but I don't believe there is anything psychic about it.

    14. Do you have an intense interest in spiritual matters?

    I strongly believe in the notion of "cosmic duty" and I seek mine. I am not terribly religious though.

    15. Do you have food or environmental sensitivities?

    If they count, Chrohn's disease and dermititis.

    16. Do you feel frustrated even hopeless at the 'old' ways of doing things in education, politics or medicine?

    I am frustrated with education and politics. Who isn't? I believe there are ways to improve medicine, and I chose my latest field partly because of that.

    17. Do you feel there is a better way of doing things but don't know how to make a difference in the world?

    I suppose. But I think I am getting closer to figuring out how to make a difference in the world.

    18. Do you have a strong intuition or knowledge of things that are unexplainable or do you often have a feeling that something is about to happen?

    I have had my crackpot times. I used to get nosebleeds that I thought were related to something really good or really bad, but nevertheless profound happening within a day.

    19. Do you feel annoyed when you are around superficial people?

    I used to. But it turned out I had a superficial view of what was superficial.

    20. Do you have an intense desire for truth and honesty?

    Of course.

    21. Can you easily see through people's hidden agendas and facades?

    Sometimes. I am a bad negotiator though, so far.

    22. Do you have an awareness of other dimensions and parallel realities?

    Dimensions other than what? I have some string theory, so I suppose I am aware of the use of more than 4 dimensions.
    I am also aware of theories involving parallel realities.

    I think I have a quiz addiction. I don't know why I took the time to answer these. I could have potentially answered 22 "yes"'es but I am going to give myself a score of 9. But, yeah, the Forer Effect is strong with this one.

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    Also, I am a product of being labeled "gifted" for most of my childhood. I think I got a great deal of advantage because of it.
    I know, however, that the label can mess with someone's head.

    Also, I wonder, however, why other children I knew growing up were labeled "not gifted."

    I think, one lesson that all children need to learn, no matter how "gifted" they are is that they need to work smart and hard. Unless very lucky, people don't get things handed to them for "having talent" for their whole life.

    I think it's natural for parents to want their children to get every advantage they can. If being labeled "Indigo" or "Crystal" will get them some advantage, I can see the point.

    I think by creating labels, you are creating an images for these children to respond to. They will either accept and play into the images or reject them and try to distance themselves from them. Either way, they distort what that children would grow into otherwise.

    Perhaps the labels and corresponding images are productive. But we need to be careful.

    We know, from all the trouble caused by them on personality forums, what trouble even personality labels can cause.

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    This thread is mature...

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    So much indigo denial here

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    Sounds exactly like an INFP to me.

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    somewhere, long ago, I wrote my thoughts on this subject. probably in the religion forum.

    I have taken tests and scored as primarily indigo. Barbara Bowers book "What color is your aura" comes to mind. She didnt talk much about "indigo children" per se. Her student Pamela Oslie added a bunch of stuff about "Indigo children", including things like "indigo children naturally talk to each other telepathically." Yes, you read that right. She later backed off slightly from her quite "out there" statements. However, Carroll and Tober wrote some [in my opinion totally horrible] book about indigo children. Most things I see on indigo children are a cross between 1) ADHD, 2) psychic awareness, and 3) being special [usually "gifted psychic healer children]. Here is their book http://www.amazon.com/Indigo-Childre...1938068&sr=8-1 Just today at the store I saw one on the same subject by Doreen Virtue
    http://www.amazon.com/Care-Feeding-I...1938068&sr=8-3
    The following is the only book specifically about Indigos that didnt make me just want to vomit http://www.amazon.com/Indigo-Adults-...1938068&sr=8-4

    I harbor an especial disdain and desire to vomit for the Carroll Tober book. I especially wanted to vomit when they interviewed the teenager who "just knew" that they were "enlightened." Zen Buddhism, amongst other traditions, has tests to evaluate whether someone is actually enlightened or not. For someone claiming to be enlightened, until someone can pass said tests, they are basically just delusional/idiotic/misguided/stupid/delusional.

    The idea of "Indigo children" touches on various psychic/new age themes. Without such themes, there is really not that much still left. Spirits, auras, psychic powers, telepathy, etc are simply NOT part of mainstream western society. I still fail to really understand the ADHD connection. How ADHD got connected to "psychically gifted naturally telepathic special karma children" I totally fail to understand. I am no particular fan of most New Age things anyways...

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    GemPOPGem:

    you are right in that the issue too sensitive for me to be objective.

    in any case, you have your own opinion on this; i have mine. let's agree to disagree. i have my reasons to think what i do.

    ygolo:

    yes. i think, when one has had some negative experience with the "special"/"gifted" label (as i did), it is too easy to forget that for others it might have positive aspects. but they are there.
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