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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestripes View Post
    what disturbs me most, i guess, is the suggestion that only indigo or crystal children should be treated as normal human beings. it is never voiced, of course, but it is there. books on the subject abound with statements like "you cannot just tell an indigo child what to do without explaining why", "their wishes and feelings must be taken into account", "they must be allowed to make their own decisions", "they already have a well-developed personality that ought to be respected", "you can be there for them and help them grow, but not force them to do what you want" and so forth. one would think this was rather self-evident in the case of any child, but apparently it is not, not for the authors of those books. it raises a lot of questions: what would these individuals consider a common and acceptable way of bringing up an "ordinary" child, whatever that word is supposed to mean? since when does one have to be "indigo" or "crystal" or some other fancy label to be treated as a person? and where does that leave other children, who obviously do not deserve this and aren't persons in the full sense of the word? finally, does one's personhood depend on special gifts or other qualities one has, rather than on the sheer fact that one is there?

    this is upsetting just to think about.
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    It's almost like children have become status symbols... :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post


    There's nothing wrong with thinking you're special. There is something wrong with thinking you're superior to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Ok so lets break this down. If you had a child with an amazing talent for advanced maths would you accept them going into a class for " mathmatically gifted" children?
    I think you probably would.
    So you would have all children labelled as special (individual) but not celebrate any of the things that made them specifically special. I call bullshit.
    this is very different. the talent for mathematics is a real ability, which manifests in the way one can solve math problems. and the class is going to be a real asset in that it is going to help them do this even better, and possibly serve as a starting point for a (very real) career in mathematics or one of the related areas.

    what exactly is "indigo"? it is nothing more than a word. and one that is so vague it can be filled with whatever meaning one wants to see there. it's like an open semantic slot. which leaves one free to over-idealize, to imagine one's child as having more gifts than they do, to turn a blind eye to faults of theirs which one doesn't want to see/wants to excuse, and to surround them with this overall "supernatural" (angelic, otherworldly, superior-to-others etc.) aura, which can be dangerous. fortunately, not everyone does this - but when it does happen, it can lead, at best, to bitter disillusionment when one discovers that one's child is too "ordinary", and not what one had thought them to be, and at worst, it can break the child's life.

    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I think all children should be viewed as gifted and special. The challenge is finding what makes them so.

    Labeling some "gifted and talented" or indigo or whatever necessarily means the others get labeled as ordinary or average or worse. How does that make the excluded ones feel?

    I get the impetus, but I think it's a slippery slope when you cull out some as more 'special' than others, no matter what the diagnostic criteria might be. Especially when it comes to children and their developing psyches and ego.
    i couldn't have said it any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    love this!!
    The comic or my little aphorism?

    (Either way, I highly reccomend Randall Munroe's comics - I find them pretty awesome even when I don't agree with him. )
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    Children need to learn how to lose. They need to learn how to work their hardest and still come in 2nd or last, it doesn't matter as long as they learn. This societal mantra of "everyone gets a trophy" is one of the most damaging things we are doing to future generations. The little curtain climbers grow up to be squatters on Wall Street whining about why the good jobs won't look at them with their degree in comparative basket-weaving from xyU and floor-sweeper at starbucks resume. This habit of political correctness, no hurt-feelings, and no one allowed to feel like a loser is a lie, it is not reality and it does not prepare our children for reality and for adolescence and adulthood. Unfortunately, the same people to take up and champion this liberal cause in the name of social justice are the ones who then complain about how unfair and lopsided the power structure and market is the closer you get to the top. They defend a system that was designed to broaden the gap between the haves and have nots, and secure power for the elites and their spawn.
    Without the important lessons being learned early you create legions of underprepared, lazy, apathetic and emotionally stunted teens and adults who do not know how to integrate or succeed but still expect all the benefits of those connections. It undercuts the future strength of this nation as well as increases the risk of overwhelmed and alienated youth doing stupid things like shooting up schools, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthtrekker1775 View Post
    Children need to learn how to lose. They need to learn how to work their hardest and still come in 2nd or last, it doesn't matter as long as they learn. This societal mantra of "everyone gets a trophy" is one of the most damaging things we are doing to future generations. The little curtain climbers grow up to be squatters on Wall Street whining about why the good jobs won't look at them with their degree in comparative basket-weaving from xyU and floor-sweeper at starbucks resume. This habit of political correctness, no hurt-feelings, and no one allowed to feel like a loser is a lie, it is not reality and it does not prepare our children for reality and for adolescence and adulthood. Unfortunately, the same people to take up and champion this liberal cause in the name of social justice are the ones who then complain about how unfair and lopsided the power structure and market is the closer you get to the top. They defend a system that was designed to broaden the gap between the haves and have nots, and secure power for the elites and their spawn.
    Without the important lessons being learned early you create legions of underprepared, lazy, apathetic and emotionally stunted teens and adults who do not know how to integrate or succeed but still expect all the benefits of those connections. It undercuts the future strength of this nation as well as increases the risk of overwhelmed and alienated youth doing stupid things like shooting up schools, etc.
    Why do you have to feel like a loser if you are a floor-sweeper?

    It sounds like you are espousing the very social dichotomy you are railing against.
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    That's the equivalent of asking " are you an infp?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Why do you have to feel like a loser if you are a floor-sweeper?

    It sounds like you are espousing the very social dichotomy you are railing against.
    You misunderstand. I was using that as an example of a person without the qualifications for the jobs and pay that they would like. Nothing wrong with floor sweepers. I spent many years working minimum wage doing jobs like that. But I did not go around whining about how nobody was giving me what I wanted. If somebody is a barista, etc. and they enjoy it great if they don't enjoy it at least they have employment.
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    It's a label used by parents who cannot accept that their children have faults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post
    It's a label used by parents who cannot accept that their children have faults.
    Either that or they're desperate for attention and use their children as sock puppets.

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