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    source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    Today I read that the onset of schizophrenia for women can be from age 30-40, as opposed to teens/early adulthood for men. With my grandmother having had it (and committing suicide, presumably because of it), and my prior misconception that it'd have manifested in my teens or early twenties....now I'm worried.
    Hey there, schizophrenia is ALOT more treatable in this day and age than during your grandmother's generation.
    The fact that you know you're pre-disposed to it gives you another huge advantage IF it does manifest in your life, and that is EARLY DETECTION.
    A good friend of mine is schizophrenic. It hit him out of nowhere because in his family, like many (mine included) the concept of "mental illness" was considered absurd and no one bothered trying to make each successive generation wiser than those before them as such.
    But, even though he had to do his initial therapy/counseling inpatient, he has been diligent with his meds and also very good at keeping his overall life stress below a level that is discomforting to him, and thus has not had to re-admit himself. His initial onset of schizophrenia was 10 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    Does anyone else have biological relatives with mental illnesses? What kind?
    Two are prevalent in my nuclear family:

    (1) ADD/ADHD runs rampant in my family. I'm not talking "slight cases" - more like, we're all basically bat shit.
    (2) Also, my Mom, Dad, and myself have OCD.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    Do you worry about getting it, or do you already have it?
    Oh, I've got'em both!

    I didn't worry about them because my family also was oblivious to recognizing "mental illnesses" as part of any of their lives.
    In military families PUSH-UPs are considered the "Ultimate Therapy." I'm not kidding. My Dad said that ALL THE TIME whenever any of us (me, my Mom, my brother, and even my niece) were having a hard time mentally with anything. Whereas when he was having a bad day, it was simply a matter of "The whole God damned world is fucked up!!!" It's good to be the Colonel, I guess.

    So, I had both for quite some time before I moved out and started living on my own.
    A friend of mine is a social worker, and she flat out told me that I was the ADHD and OCD poster child.
    Then she asked me to clean her kitchen. :yim_rolling_on_the_
    Tough love!

    It took me years before I saw anyone about it.
    I take meds for the ADHD (Adderall) but don't take meds for the OCD.
    I did not react well at all to SSRIs, they really fucked with my brain.
    Zoloft made me feel like I was freaking wasted on speed.
    My pupils got massive and black when it was in my system, and my friends pointed it out to me, and said "by the way, you're acting strange too, you might want to switch meds." They were right. Then I was prescribed Lexapro, and I felt like a zombie. Seriously, I felt dead. I would rather suffer with OCD than be on Zoloft or Lexapro. That's just me. I've gone to a good bit of counseling for it and learned coping strategies that work for me when it is really acting up off the chain. I basically have to manage my stress and also re-direct the OCD when it hits into things that need to get done, instead of letting it take me off schedule and fuck up my life. Also, I'm big on lists, because they help me manage my ADHD and OCD. When I have all things on my daily list crossed off, I can relax, and just be myslef and all is well. Watching me do it all is kind of fucking terrifying to alot of people, but that's not my problem, LOL!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    oh yeah - don't smoke pot. It causes a gene mutation that encourages schiz. to develop.
    It doesent cause any gene mutations

    Its just that it can work as a trigger for schizophrenia, pretty much like highly stressful long term situations or major hit on the head. People who are prone of developing mental illnesses, cant handle the psychedelic aspects of cannabis or other psychedelics. Since some aspects of being high resemble schizophrenia(brains function in abnormal ways), its like some light switch that you cant switch back to normal if you play with it too much, because gene gets activated, also called epigenetics. Heavy drinking can have same effect, but you need to drink more often than smoking weed, with stronger psychedelics than cannabis the trigger is even stronger.
    Its basically just about you mental balance, if you have genetic disposition for mental illnesses, any disturbance in yoir mental balance can trigger the disorder. With alcohol this balance isnt rocked from side to side so much on the intoxiacatiln itself, but if you drink many days in row, it will have pretty strong effects on your mental health. With cannabis, its that it has steonger effect on your mental 'health', but its more temporary and only lasts as long as the high does, for healthy people that is. Drinking heavily many days or weeks in row, it lasts even after you stop drinking
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    What comes to heridity of schizophrenia, normal % of schizophrenia in population was 1.1% if i remember right, if one of your parwnts has it, its 2.1% if i remember right. If both of you parents has schizophrenia, thats when you are fucked and actually have notable risk of getting ill yoirself.
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    My father was diagnosed with manic depression though he was probably suffering with what we now know as bipolar II, and he killed himself when I was 17. Today is the anniversary of his death and he would have had a milestone birthday just a few days ago. He was an intriguing and brilliant freethinker but also a selfish narcissist who refused to take responsibility for his actions/mistakes. My mom has long-standing anxiety issues, in part from living with my dad's illness and strong personality for 20 years. My mom left at the beginning of my senior year in high school and things got pretty hairy - I had to have him hospitalized and boundaries were inappropriately crossed. Mental illness runs in his family; his father was mentally ill and his brother killed himself as well.

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    Well, researchers know that schizophrenia is related to specific gene mutations, and they know it is aggravated and dramatically increased in people who smoke marijuana, and they know that marijuana causes gene mutations. But they have not directly identified the connection, so it could be causing a gene mutation or it could be causing a chemical inbalance. Either way, it's not a good thing to do if you are trying to avoid psychosis of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    Well, researchers know that schizophrenia is related to specific gene mutations, and they know it is aggravated and dramatically increased in people who smoke marijuana, and they know that marijuana causes gene mutations. But they have not directly identified the connection, so it could be causing a gene mutation or it could be causing a chemical inbalance. Either way, it's not a good thing to do if you are trying to avoid psychosis of any kind.
    People with faulty genes that can trigger schizophrenia, cant restore the chemical balance properly after it has been tampered by cannabis, stress, lsd, killer hang over or what ever that triggered the schizophrena. Also i think that they cant properly destroy faulty connections made by the brains. For example someone normal taking lsd or shrooms and thinking that they turned into carrot while being high, can destroy these connections properly once the effects wear off, but schizophrenic might not be able to do this and end up thinking that he is a carrot even after they arent high anymore, and would continue building up to this faulty neural branch and cause him to make more delusions and hallucinations. Or maybe this is because of chemical imbalance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    Well, researchers know that schizophrenia is related to specific gene mutations, and they know it is aggravated and dramatically increased in people who smoke marijuana, and they know that marijuana causes gene mutations. But they have not directly identified the connection, so it could be causing a gene mutation or it could be causing a chemical inbalance. Either way, it's not a good thing to do if you are trying to avoid psychosis of any kind.
    I know that smoked marijuana causes gene mutations in the lungs, like every other kind of smoke. What I am curious to know, hence asking for your source, is whether any mutagens can cross the blood brain-barrier to reach the cells in the brain, which would be far more interesting. Is there any evidence of that, even in animals? That would be a fairly strong link. Mutations in the lungs can't affect brain function, of course!

    I've read a bit on the subject previously, due to my family history, and what I found was:

    A) there is definitely a correlation between smoking as a teenager and earlier onset of schizophrenia, but

    B) nobody knows whether smoking increases schizo or schizo increases smoking
    i) smoking is more effective and more addictive for schizophrenics, so it is reasonable to expect that more of them would smoke
    ii) any studies need to be corrected for gender, because males develop schizo much earlier and are also far more likely to smoke pot as teenagers
    iii) due to illegality issues it's difficult/impossible? to do a real controlled study, so I haven't been able to find anything establishing a real causality link
    iv) despite pot use skyrocketing since the 50s, schizophrenia rates have stayed fairly constant at 1-2% of the population

    C) smoking at age 17 or younger is much worse for you than smoking at age 18 or older. most studies I came across found no permanent changes in brain physiology when smoking occurred exclusively after 18, although admittedly I didn't look that hard.

    D) there's belief that there is a genetic "weakness" to schizophrenia that pot may exacerbate, but it isn't guaranteed from a family history, and the "pot sensitivity" genes have not been identified so this is really just speculation at this point.

    Anyway, my conclusion from what I've read so far has been that there may be a link, but it doesn't seem to be a strong one, and it's not proven at all that pot is actually causing schizo - it may be a symptom rather than a cause.

    Have you heard recent information that contradicts my impression? I didn't research it very heavily since the information I found kept mentioning that there is no conclusive scientific evidence, despite the media blowing everything out of proportion as per usual (see: everything causes cancer!!!!1111 also, everything prevents cancer!!!!111 often the same thing!)
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    Falcarius' eldest sister almost certainly has schizophrenia, his mother has bipolar disorder or schizophrenia depending what psychiatrist one believes, Falcarius oldest nephew has been in a psychiatric hospital for the last four years and obviously has some serious mental heath problems. Falcarius wishes he was making it up but the truth is all three are beyond help.



    Falcarius does not worry about suffering from a mental illness, as he believes that if he was going to get one he would have done so by now.
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    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    @Randomnity

    Dunno if you have heard of it, but some schizophrenics might be actually using cannabis for self medication. It might sound weird, but cannabis also includes some antipsychotics(amount of them vary from strain to strain and effects what sort of high the strain gives) and schizophrenics might find some relief from some strains of cannabis.

    Also one thing you should look at is the early onset symptoms of schizophrenia, which might start from early childhood, many years before they get diagnosed. But the problem with these early symptoms is that they arent direct indicators of any mental illness, but can be seen in normal people too. So they are more like normal traits of personality, which are more common with schizophrenics. Its pretty unclear what all of those traits are, some of them are more common and more clear indicators(but still rarerily clear enough to give diagnosis).
    i only know few of these, but i wouldnt wonder if reckless behavior, need to experience altered states of consciousness, addictive behavior etc(that might lead to substance abuse) would include.

    What comes to genes of schizophrenia, quite many genes for schizophrenia has been found, but this stuff isnt simple as this gene gone wrong = schizophrenia
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