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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    I can relate to this a lot- like, the need for self actualization and authenticity without really realizing what that is or how it could possibly be. Seems like to attain that I would have to become 3 or 4 separate people.
    Yeah, I like to focus on me feeling at ease with myself and eliminating the causes of fears by addressing them as a means to improve myself as opposed to trying to be a certain person who behaves a certain way. And, even though I said that I don't have an 'ideal' me and that my guage of mental health is internal, MBTI did in a way function as an ideal. The ENFP profile isn't something that I aspire to be, just a very useful map that corresponds well to my internal dynamics and is very helpful for me in figuring myself out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Yeah, I like to focus on me feeling at ease with myself and eliminating the causes of fears by addressing them as a means to improve myself as opposed to trying to be a certain person who behaves a certain way. And, even though I said that I don't have an 'ideal' me and that my guage of mental health is internal, MBTI did in a way function as an ideal. The ENFP profile isn't something that I aspire to be, just a very useful map that corresponds well to my internal dynamics and is very helpful for me in figuring myself out.


    Very true, it tends to take all that confusion and put it into one general idea about how an ENFP can grow into their natural talents, it makes things a little easier.
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    This isn't exactly what your looking for, but I was reading something interesting about the enneagram and self actualization last night. Apparently, those that get closer to self actualization have much greater difficulty finding their E-type. Now, to clarify, there are many other reasons you could struggle with your e-type.. lack of self understanding or awareness ofcourse.. but since the enneagram is intended to be a system that identifies ones fixations and patterns, ego transference.. once people begin to self actualize and break through the fixations and defense mechanisms, hammering away and overcoming those problems, you begin to identify less and less with one core type downfall and more with the good qualities of various types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley3112 View Post
    This isn't exactly what your looking for, but I was reading something interesting about the enneagram and self actualization last night. Apparently, those that get closer to self actualization have much greater difficulty finding their E-type. Now, to clarify, there are many other reasons you could struggle with your e-type.. lack of self understanding or awareness ofcourse.. but since the enneagram is intended to be a system that identifies ones fixations and patterns, ego transference.. once people begin to self actualize and break through the fixations and defense mechanisms, hammering away and overcoming those problems, you begin to identify less and less with one core type downfall and more with the good qualities of various types.
    Yes! Close enough to what I'm looking for. I've always thought this, the closer you are to whole, the more you can relate to other enneagrams/ or come away from enneagram. It seems like growth could bring along a whole host of other issues though. I know that a lot of times enneagram shows that a growth area will make a person look like a different one- (a healthy this will be like an average that) it makes sense- but then you could be presented with a whole new set of enneagram problems to undertake. To be completely unrealistic, it would be interesting to think of someone who was an original enneatype, grew into a healthy one- making them another enneatype, and then did that through the entire enneagram through their whole life- they would see the whole/a lot of the human spectrum and therefore be some kind of a God. (I know that doesn't happen, but..... interesting to think about anyway.)
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    Exactly! And I've even considered how some of these ideas might play into buddhism, reincarnation, etc. as what your trying to do when you break out of those fixations is understand your true essence and not the egos distortion.. so it's possible that we continually incarnate into areas of the enneagram until the entire spectrum, like you mentioned, is actualized and all ego distortion is shed. It is hard for me to imagine one doing this in one life, not even looking at the limitations of the soul, but the limitations we endure operating in a human shell generally. And some new age material suggests that the soul chooses the body it will be born to, some kind of process where that particular genetic code, brain wiring, etc. will be compatible with the essence. I'm not sure if I buy into these ideas but do find them interesting. The pineal gland is often said to be the gateway to the spirit world, oddly the Tibetan Book of the Dead mentions that the spirit enters the fetus at 49 days, recent research shows that the pineal gland is detected in the fetus at 49 days. I've also considered that some people who experience things like schizophrenia, bi-polar one, and many other psychological problems could very well be an essence that was not entirely compatible, integrated into the human shell and brain as well is it could or should have been. All this is fluff ofcourse, FLUFF. But it is interesting to think about.
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    When I lose track ot time passing...I'm actualizing my true self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    When I lose track ot time passing...I'm actualizing my true self.
    Yes, time disappears when we are in the flow.

    When we are flowing, we are oblivious to time.

    And so how interesting that as we communicate here at the speed of light, both time and space are abolished.

    When we are creative, we are in the flow and time disappears. And when we are on Central, time disappears, the seasons disappear and distance disappears.

    Where do they go? And what is left? Only the etribe of Central in the global village, flowing together.

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    i've lost all track on passing time. but that's probably just early dementia. /jk/

    for me the search is mostly about seeing things as they are.
    by things I mean both self and worldview, it's the same, it's the calibration of the same subject.

    i don't care about becoming anything by means of "living" aka acting, nor do i focus much on life in relationship.

    i am pretty much a determinist.
    i feel that i can't allow myself (or my self won't allow me) to act before i have 1) a rather complete vision and 2) a rather complete awareness of how this vision came together in myself ...
    I don't necessarily mean to spoil the whole big mystery of how exactly a human being comes into existence (albeit i will have a peek),
    it seems that originally I just wanted to rule out public manifestation of shadows/bad karma or just things that are forbidden.
    actually stuff that would have bad/scary/threatening consequences in this world.
    whatever made me so controlled in terms of perception and experience: getting to know myself by acting out is not in my cards. or not yet.
    i would at least need a rough overview over my complete self, before i can allow myself to mate with the external world by being uninhibited.
    by rough overview, i mean abroad general abstract understanding of self and world.
    some estimation of how bad the marriage will be and how much blood will flow during the first night.
    and i have come a far way in achieving that general understanding, so i feel a little closer to making the jump.
    yeah, i get the drama of it.
    it seems unnecessarily complicated. no one gets how anyone can be so hard on himself. (their choice of words)
    but it's not as unusual as it seems.
    it's just more obvious in me. and i like that.
    it makes me aware of the human/egoic drama.
    "the fool who insists on his folly becomes wise."
    it works.
    other people are inhibited too, but they inhibit and act out in superficial fast paced intervals, so it never becomes obvious how much (depth) the have inhibited/prevented from manifestation. they just have this huge something of a life as a seeming proof of being uninhibited creators. winners.
    i have nothing.
    just a room. and crazy ideas.
    but i just play the same game with a different order and pace.
    or so i like to believe.
    i take in huge chunks of my self into my virtual reality, years of my self, whole developmental stages of my self, knowing them mostly through mental projection.
    then eventually i might act the whole chunks out in one simple but complete move. that's the general plan, anyway.
    i have been struggling hard with my destiny, meaning my pace of inhibition and acting out, but i have come to accept it as my natural individuality.
    that's what i meant initially by being a determinist. fighting this nature has only slowed the process of seeing myself, of understanding of the vision.
    it has absolutely never directly enhanced the vision or caused any meaningful manifestation. my inhibition might be okay, my attempts at inhibiting my inhibition have been much worse for sure.

    Self-consciousness has such a bad rap. wikipedia says:
    "Unpleasant feelings of self-consciousness are sometimes associated with shyness or paranoia.
    According to Schopenhauer, man can, through self-consciousness, make a choice between affirming or denying the will"

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